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danvm said:

macplusplus said:

danvm said:

macplusplus said:

seanismorris said:

iWork and iCloud need to be scaled up for small businesses.  They’re currently not much of an option to Microsoft Office 365 and OneDrive...

They are already scaled up for small businesses. First of all, they are the only truly working cloud. Apparently the team implemented it in a very robust fashion once they faced the fury of Steve Jobs on MobileMe. 

Maybe iCloud may offer things small business can use, but as soon as you start to grow, you'll start to notice that it was designed for individuals and not even small business.  I can't even use a private domain.  G Suite and Office 365 definitely are better options for business, even small ones.  

 OneDrive sometimes works, mostly out of sync, Office 365 is nothing more than ridiculously crippled apps on iOS. I cancelled my subscription within one hour a couple of days ago when I discovered that iOS Word doesn’t allow to edit styles and to define new styles. In contrast iWork offers the same features and experience on macOS, iOS and web.

To say that iWorks have the same funcionality in macOS, web and iOS maybe isn't too positive at all, considering how limited web and mobile apps are, specially compared to MS Office.  Again, I don't think iWorks / iCloud was designed for business, even small ones.  Maybe that's the reason MS Office is the leader in business, small and large.  

Desktop only ! If you can’t imagine the iPad used by small businesses you’re right in your vision limited to desktop. Designing an expo flyer or a restaurant menu no longer requires Office 365 subscription and a PC.

Besides, I don’t understand how you exclude individuals from small business. Again yours is a very limited understanding of small business.

I can use a low cost PC o Chromebook with the free versions of MS Office Online and Google Apps to design the flyer and restaurant menu too.  I already knew that you don't need O365 or a PC for simple tasks, but neither I need an iPad or iWorks apps for that.

Second, I have zero issues with individuals with small business, but there is no way I'll recommend them.  What option does Apple offer to an individual that want to host a private domain with an iCloud mail account?  That means that individuals with small business that want something as simple as a private domain have to move from iCloud to G Suite, Office 365 or other cloud service. Plus iWorks files have to be converted to Google or MS files loosing details and formatting. Compare that to MS and Google, where you start with a simple email account and then grow in users and features as you business need changes.  

Now you see why I think Apple cloud application are not a good option for individuals or small business?

designr said:

One of the things this seems to reinforce is that, as great as Apple is doing with this segment, (smart) phones are where the real money is and will continue to be. As great as these sales figures are this is like 1-2 weeks of phone sales.

The phone seems to be the one device that everyone has. Heck some people even carry two (work and personal). I see lots of people without watches at all and many for whom the classic (non smart/digital) design is preferred. But everyone has a phone and it's with them almost 24/7.

The phone turns out to be the near perfect form factor for 80-90% of people's use cases. It is the true "personal computer." I suspect the watch, simply because of form limits, will never quite get there.

Apple will keep going with this. It's no business to laugh off by any means and the watch brings value particularly its health monitoring features. But from a business POV, it's nothing compared to the phone.

danvm said:

macplusplus said:

seanismorris said:

iWork and iCloud need to be scaled up for small businesses.  They’re currently not much of an option to Microsoft Office 365 and OneDrive...

They are already scaled up for small businesses. First of all, they are the only truly working cloud. Apparently the team implemented it in a very robust fashion once they faced the fury of Steve Jobs on MobileMe. 

Maybe iCloud may offer things small business can use, but as soon as you start to grow, you'll start to notice that it was designed for individuals and not even small business.  I can't even use a private domain.  G Suite and Office 365 definitely are better options for business, even small ones.  

 OneDrive sometimes works, mostly out of sync, Office 365 is nothing more than ridiculously crippled apps on iOS. I cancelled my subscription within one hour a couple of days ago when I discovered that iOS Word doesn’t allow to edit styles and to define new styles. In contrast iWork offers the same features and experience on macOS, iOS and web.

To say that iWorks have the same funcionality in macOS, web and iOS maybe isn't too positive at all, considering how limited web and mobile apps are, specially compared to MS Office.  Again, I don't think iWorks / iCloud was designed for business, even small ones.  Maybe that's the reason MS Office is the leader in business, small and large.  

seanismorris said:

iWork and iCloud need to be scaled up for small businesses.  They’re currently not much of an option to Microsoft Office 365 and OneDrive...

ireland said:

Sensibly, Microsoft has included an SD Card reader. It’s a popular media and not needing to visit dongletown for it is a huge boon for photographers and videographers—a decent percentage of pros.