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jdw said:

Quality assurance" -- ha!  Siri is a brain-dead bozo who after years of "training" still cannot pronounce my daughter's name correctly.  Siri doesn't understand the context of human language and can hardly do anything truly useful at all.  MobileMe prompted Steve Jobs to tell his employees, "You've tarnished Apple's reputation...", so imagine what word's he would say today about Siri!

Suffice it to say, the "nuclear option" should be to eliminate Siri entirely.  She's next to worthless.  And it saddens me to say it.  Siri could be so much better if Apple gave it their heart and soul.  But they aren't.  It seems like they don't even care.  Shocking.  Just shocking.

wizard69 said:

ravnorodom said:

Nice. Finally a MacBook that has cellular chip. I wonder why in the past years laptops in general don't have cellular built-in except mobile devices and tablets only. In today's age, we need it. I used to setup hotspot from my iPhone for my MacBook. But I couldn't now because I upgraded to unlimited cellular data and the hotspot feature is disabled from carrier. A G5 MacBook would fill that need.

Yeah the first thing I thought when I read the headlines is what took these idiots so long!!!!!    Macs and MBP’s have suffered for years now due to the lack of innovation!    Even things like a visual logon that has been in IPhone for years is no where to be seen on Macs. Let’s not forget iPads have had cellular support for years now.    

This is just one component that has left me so pissed off with Apple and their willfull ignoring of the Mac line up, that has me using an HP laptop right now.   For the life of me I can not grasp why they would let the Mac lineup slip so far behind.  By the way behind not just the competition but their own products.  It is like shooting ones self in the foot.  

AppleExposed said:

macplusplus said:

AppleExposed said:

macplusplus said:

AppleExposed said:

iPhone is a massive success.
Analysts: Apple is a one-trick pony! They need other products with great revenue stream!

Other products and service are growing massively up to 50%.
Analysts: Apple is doomed!

If we were really in a post-iPhone era Apple would not be releasing new services for iPhone.

rogifan_new said:

zoetmb said:

The iPhone being less than 50% of Apple's business isn't a bad thing, it's a positive.   Too much dependency on a single product line is a bad business strategy.   Apple's income being more diverse is a strong positive and the fact that it's more split between hardware and services is even greater positive as it protects Apple against downturns in the economy and if any strong competitors appear.   

How many articles were there in recent years stating that Apple was no longer a computer company, but an "iPhone" company.   That was a weakness, not a strength.  

I'm certainly no genius, but even I can see that a more diverse Apple business is better for Apple and for Apple's customers.  Mac revenue is up 5% year over year, and that's is a great thing, because Mac was becoming such a small part of Apple, I had concerns over how much attention Apple would give it going forward.  iPad is up 15.5%, Services are up 15.9% and Wearables/Home Accessories is up an outstanding 36.5%.   Considering the world economy is not in great shape and that Chinese consumers seem to be spending less across the board, I think Apple is doing great in spite of the fact that they won't beat last fiscal's record revenue and earnings.   Not every year can be a record year. 

And while iPhone revenue was less than 50% in Q3, it's still 61.7% fiscal year-to-date, so this is much ado about nothing. 

Still Apple’s services and accessories mostly depend on owning other Apple hardware. For me the tell of Apple becoming a completely different company is if they ever make iMessage cross platform. 

StrangeDays said:

rogifan_new said:

zoetmb said:

The iPhone being less than 50% of Apple's business isn't a bad thing, it's a positive.   Too much dependency on a single product line is a bad business strategy.   Apple's income being more diverse is a strong positive and the fact that it's more split between hardware and services is even greater positive as it protects Apple against downturns in the economy and if any strong competitors appear.   

How many articles were there in recent years stating that Apple was no longer a computer company, but an "iPhone" company.   That was a weakness, not a strength.  

I'm certainly no genius, but even I can see that a more diverse Apple business is better for Apple and for Apple's customers.  Mac revenue is up 5% year over year, and that's is a great thing, because Mac was becoming such a small part of Apple, I had concerns over how much attention Apple would give it going forward.  iPad is up 15.5%, Services are up 15.9% and Wearables/Home Accessories is up an outstanding 36.5%.   Considering the world economy is not in great shape and that Chinese consumers seem to be spending less across the board, I think Apple is doing great in spite of the fact that they won't beat last fiscal's record revenue and earnings.   Not every year can be a record year. 

And while iPhone revenue was less than 50% in Q3, it's still 61.7% fiscal year-to-date, so this is much ado about nothing. 

Still Apple’s services and accessories mostly depend on owning other Apple hardware. For me the tell of Apple becoming a completely different company is if they ever make iMessage cross platform. 

Why, what sort of revenue would a free chat app on Android create? How is that more healthy for their earnings? 

Nah. Of course Apple profit is dependent on selling Apple products. That's the whole point. Services are nice but what you're saying is Apple should back away from its immensely successful model of selling premium hardware and become a services-oriented company. Why? That's one viable model, but why on earth would they want to stop doing what they do best? Services augment their already healthy business. It doesn't replace it.

iMessage and Facetime for Android is a GREAT idea if, Apple charges a monthly fee. Which may or may not be what Rogifan suggested.

Almost everyone agrees iMessage is the superior texting app. At $1.99 for both Facetime and iMessage Apple could monetize users of stolen IP while allowing Apple users to have access. This not only makes Apple products even more attractive but like I said allows Apple to monetize knockoffs. I can EASILY see iMessage/Facetime on android surpassing WhatsApp and Skype or whatever crap they use.

They're "cool" you get to finally be a blue bubble and get secure Facetime with group calling with all your Apple friends for just 1.99 a month.

So you suggest Apple makes Facetime and iMessage a paid service for macOS and iOS users in order to expand to Android. Even if not, your Android friends will not pay 1.99/month to chat with you dear Apple friend. They already pay for SMS to telcos, since there will be two subscriptions iMessage must be split in two separate apps for SMS and iCloud (iMessage). Since this is not possible iMessage will include only iCloud messages, not SMS and as such it will not be as functional as on iOS. A paid iMessage app on Android has no chance to survive among free apps like Viber, WhatsApp, Messenger and a multitude of others.

NO, NO, NO.

Why would Apple charge their users for a service that was free?

Because the only Apple service we saw on Android is a paid one: Apple Music. Your suggestion may create deep-spaghetti legal issues stemming from anti-trust law.

I've thought of that but Facetime especially costs Apple a lot of money to operate and Apple operates these services without data mining and ads.

Worst that can happen is Apple pull the App from android.

...

It's possible but the government may claim it's unfair that Apple charges for competing knockoffs to pay for their hard work. Then again, no one forces you to pay when you have free apps like WhatsApp.

AppleExposed said:

macplusplus said:

AppleExposed said:

iPhone is a massive success.
Analysts: Apple is a one-trick pony! They need other products with great revenue stream!

Other products and service are growing massively up to 50%.
Analysts: Apple is doomed!

If we were really in a post-iPhone era Apple would not be releasing new services for iPhone.

rogifan_new said:

zoetmb said:

The iPhone being less than 50% of Apple's business isn't a bad thing, it's a positive.   Too much dependency on a single product line is a bad business strategy.   Apple's income being more diverse is a strong positive and the fact that it's more split between hardware and services is even greater positive as it protects Apple against downturns in the economy and if any strong competitors appear.   

How many articles were there in recent years stating that Apple was no longer a computer company, but an "iPhone" company.   That was a weakness, not a strength.  

I'm certainly no genius, but even I can see that a more diverse Apple business is better for Apple and for Apple's customers.  Mac revenue is up 5% year over year, and that's is a great thing, because Mac was becoming such a small part of Apple, I had concerns over how much attention Apple would give it going forward.  iPad is up 15.5%, Services are up 15.9% and Wearables/Home Accessories is up an outstanding 36.5%.   Considering the world economy is not in great shape and that Chinese consumers seem to be spending less across the board, I think Apple is doing great in spite of the fact that they won't beat last fiscal's record revenue and earnings.   Not every year can be a record year. 

And while iPhone revenue was less than 50% in Q3, it's still 61.7% fiscal year-to-date, so this is much ado about nothing. 

Still Apple’s services and accessories mostly depend on owning other Apple hardware. For me the tell of Apple becoming a completely different company is if they ever make iMessage cross platform. 

StrangeDays said:

rogifan_new said:

zoetmb said:

The iPhone being less than 50% of Apple's business isn't a bad thing, it's a positive.   Too much dependency on a single product line is a bad business strategy.   Apple's income being more diverse is a strong positive and the fact that it's more split between hardware and services is even greater positive as it protects Apple against downturns in the economy and if any strong competitors appear.   

How many articles were there in recent years stating that Apple was no longer a computer company, but an "iPhone" company.   That was a weakness, not a strength.  

I'm certainly no genius, but even I can see that a more diverse Apple business is better for Apple and for Apple's customers.  Mac revenue is up 5% year over year, and that's is a great thing, because Mac was becoming such a small part of Apple, I had concerns over how much attention Apple would give it going forward.  iPad is up 15.5%, Services are up 15.9% and Wearables/Home Accessories is up an outstanding 36.5%.   Considering the world economy is not in great shape and that Chinese consumers seem to be spending less across the board, I think Apple is doing great in spite of the fact that they won't beat last fiscal's record revenue and earnings.   Not every year can be a record year. 

And while iPhone revenue was less than 50% in Q3, it's still 61.7% fiscal year-to-date, so this is much ado about nothing. 

Still Apple’s services and accessories mostly depend on owning other Apple hardware. For me the tell of Apple becoming a completely different company is if they ever make iMessage cross platform. 

Why, what sort of revenue would a free chat app on Android create? How is that more healthy for their earnings? 

Nah. Of course Apple profit is dependent on selling Apple products. That's the whole point. Services are nice but what you're saying is Apple should back away from its immensely successful model of selling premium hardware and become a services-oriented company. Why? That's one viable model, but why on earth would they want to stop doing what they do best? Services augment their already healthy business. It doesn't replace it.

iMessage and Facetime for Android is a GREAT idea if, Apple charges a monthly fee. Which may or may not be what Rogifan suggested.

Almost everyone agrees iMessage is the superior texting app. At $1.99 for both Facetime and iMessage Apple could monetize users of stolen IP while allowing Apple users to have access. This not only makes Apple products even more attractive but like I said allows Apple to monetize knockoffs. I can EASILY see iMessage/Facetime on android surpassing WhatsApp and Skype or whatever crap they use.

They're "cool" you get to finally be a blue bubble and get secure Facetime with group calling with all your Apple friends for just 1.99 a month.

So you suggest Apple makes Facetime and iMessage a paid service for macOS and iOS users in order to expand to Android. Even if not, your Android friends will not pay 1.99/month to chat with you dear Apple friend. They already pay for SMS to telcos, since there will be two subscriptions iMessage must be split in two separate apps for SMS and iCloud (iMessage). Since this is not possible iMessage will include only iCloud messages, not SMS and as such it will not be as functional as on iOS. A paid iMessage app on Android has no chance to survive among free apps like Viber, WhatsApp, Messenger and a multitude of others.

NO, NO, NO.

Why would Apple charge their users for a service that was free?

AppleExposed said:

iPhone is a massive success.
Analysts: Apple is a one-trick pony! They need other products with great revenue stream!

Other products and service are growing massively up to 50%.
Analysts: Apple is doomed!

If we were really in a post-iPhone era Apple would not be releasing new services for iPhone.

rogifan_new said:

zoetmb said:

The iPhone being less than 50% of Apple's business isn't a bad thing, it's a positive.   Too much dependency on a single product line is a bad business strategy.   Apple's income being more diverse is a strong positive and the fact that it's more split between hardware and services is even greater positive as it protects Apple against downturns in the economy and if any strong competitors appear.   

How many articles were there in recent years stating that Apple was no longer a computer company, but an "iPhone" company.   That was a weakness, not a strength.  

I'm certainly no genius, but even I can see that a more diverse Apple business is better for Apple and for Apple's customers.  Mac revenue is up 5% year over year, and that's is a great thing, because Mac was becoming such a small part of Apple, I had concerns over how much attention Apple would give it going forward.  iPad is up 15.5%, Services are up 15.9% and Wearables/Home Accessories is up an outstanding 36.5%.   Considering the world economy is not in great shape and that Chinese consumers seem to be spending less across the board, I think Apple is doing great in spite of the fact that they won't beat last fiscal's record revenue and earnings.   Not every year can be a record year. 

And while iPhone revenue was less than 50% in Q3, it's still 61.7% fiscal year-to-date, so this is much ado about nothing. 

Still Apple’s services and accessories mostly depend on owning other Apple hardware. For me the tell of Apple becoming a completely different company is if they ever make iMessage cross platform. 

StrangeDays said:

rogifan_new said:

zoetmb said:

The iPhone being less than 50% of Apple's business isn't a bad thing, it's a positive.   Too much dependency on a single product line is a bad business strategy.   Apple's income being more diverse is a strong positive and the fact that it's more split between hardware and services is even greater positive as it protects Apple against downturns in the economy and if any strong competitors appear.   

How many articles were there in recent years stating that Apple was no longer a computer company, but an "iPhone" company.   That was a weakness, not a strength.  

I'm certainly no genius, but even I can see that a more diverse Apple business is better for Apple and for Apple's customers.  Mac revenue is up 5% year over year, and that's is a great thing, because Mac was becoming such a small part of Apple, I had concerns over how much attention Apple would give it going forward.  iPad is up 15.5%, Services are up 15.9% and Wearables/Home Accessories is up an outstanding 36.5%.   Considering the world economy is not in great shape and that Chinese consumers seem to be spending less across the board, I think Apple is doing great in spite of the fact that they won't beat last fiscal's record revenue and earnings.   Not every year can be a record year. 

And while iPhone revenue was less than 50% in Q3, it's still 61.7% fiscal year-to-date, so this is much ado about nothing. 

Still Apple’s services and accessories mostly depend on owning other Apple hardware. For me the tell of Apple becoming a completely different company is if they ever make iMessage cross platform. 

Why, what sort of revenue would a free chat app on Android create? How is that more healthy for their earnings? 

Nah. Of course Apple profit is dependent on selling Apple products. That's the whole point. Services are nice but what you're saying is Apple should back away from its immensely successful model of selling premium hardware and become a services-oriented company. Why? That's one viable model, but why on earth would they want to stop doing what they do best? Services augment their already healthy business. It doesn't replace it.

iMessage and Facetime for Android is a GREAT idea if, Apple charges a monthly fee. Which may or may not be what Rogifan suggested.

Almost everyone agrees iMessage is the superior texting app. At $1.99 for both Facetime and iMessage Apple could monetize users of stolen IP while allowing Apple users to have access. This not only makes Apple products even more attractive but like I said allows Apple to monetize knockoffs. I can EASILY see iMessage/Facetime on android surpassing WhatsApp and Skype or whatever crap they use.

They're "cool" you get to finally be a blue bubble and get secure Facetime with group calling with all your Apple friends for just 1.99 a month.