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MplsP said:

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burnside said:

I'm using 2015 MBPs till they can't be refurbed. Superior keyboard, HDMI, and USB w/o need for dongles. Perfect work computer. Based on how fast they vanish from the Apple refurb store, I'm not alone.

First of all an adapter isn’t really a dongle, unless any and every adapter is now a dongle. Funny we never called them that before. Second, there’s no need for such USB adapters as you can get native cables that connect USB-C to -A, HDMI, Lightning, etc...You’re whining about a problem solved years ago. 

The one thing I plug into my MBP more often than anything else is a USB security key. It's USB A and it's issued by my job, so I can't change it. The second most common thing I need to plug in is a USB jump drive that someone gave me with a bunch of pictures, files, etc. Those are almost always USB A. I was at Target the other day and every single one they had on the shelf was a USB A. I was in Staples earlier this evening - same story. When I need to hook up my laptop to a projector to do a presentation, the single most common connector is an HDMI connector. I have yet to see a USB C connector. 

A dongle is simply an adaptor with a short cord. A long cord with two different ends is the same thing. Call it what you want, it doesn't change the discussion.

Contrary to your parroting of Phill Schiller's tripe, the problem does still exist. Yes, you can get adaptors/dongles to let you use the USB C ports. I've spent an extra $100 on such dongles. The problem isn't that you can't make the connection, the problem is that you now have to tote around a handful of dongles in addition to your laptop to enable you to do what you could do natively 4 years ago, and what virtually every other laptop on the market today lets you do without anything extra. 

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Apple never showed it any love though. In its last few months of life, it was priced higher than the new MacBook Air, thus nobody bought it. 

Priced higher because of 256 SSD.

Yes, but Apple has already benefitted from lower cost components so reducing the price would have sold more units and possibly kept that
model alive. 
Compare it to Apple still selling the iPod touch in new configurations. 

hammeroftruth said:

Apple never showed it any love though. In its last few months of life, it was priced higher than the new MacBook Air, thus nobody bought it. 

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rogifan_new said:

Yet Steve Jobs decided to put a non-product guy in charge of the company. How much do we really believe Isaacson‘s story? He can say whatever. Steve isn’t here to refute it. Also Isaacson knows Ive. He knows Ive is not someone who’s going to comment on an a rumor. In fact it’s entirely possible Tim Cook’s e-mail response to Dylan Byers was not sanctioned by Apple PR. The WSJ asked Apple if they wanted to comment on the story and Apple PR said no.

He’s enough “product guy” to commit to iPad, to stay loyal to Steve Jobs’ Post-PC vision, to create the Watch, the Pencils, iPad Mini and to see and reject toaster-fridges.

He is also enough "product guy" to almost ruin the entire Mac product line pushing part of the core base over to competing platforms. – Come to think about it, he is a typical Compaq guy. 

How are Compaq’s sales doing compared to Macs? Oh yeah they don’t exist anymore. So...zero. 

Cook didn’t almost ruin the Mac line, they’ve been doing great, even while then industry slows. If you’re expecting Cook to supervise engineering of the old MP and its thermal corner problem, you’re high. Not that you bought one anyway. My iMac is still going, but I look forward to upgrading to either a 5k or iMP, both are excellent machines. My MBP will be around for a lot longer. 

You're damn right I did not bye the old "trashcan" MP. A lot of other folks did neither. 

The difference between SJ - a product guy, and TC - not a product guy, is that SJ (or any other product management when he was absent from the company for that sake) would never let a disgrace as the current MP slip over such long period of time. To top off the disgrace, the current MP unchanged since 2013, is still retailing at premium prices while it technically is a trash can these days. 

They also would not have let thermal disasters such as the MBP slip for years, or the keyboards, or gutting ports to the extent the machines becomes dongle and external box hell. 

Being CEO of Apple implies also paying attention to, and correcting such disasters, and not let them slip for years. Of course TC is more busy virtual signaling and playing Hollyweired producer. 

There is no "dongle" hell, since you can get native USB-C cables for anything you need. 

Why don't you just show us where you can get an ethernet cable terminated in a USB-C plug without a dongle?  

So you don’t mind to carry a 9 mm thick Ethernet crossover cable of 8 inch diameter when rolled, but you mind adding to that only the Ethernet adapter of 2 inch long? Roll your Ethernet cable over that adapter it will be invisible.

You still need the ethernet cable...

... and crossover? When was the last time you used ethernet (if ever)? 

Ha ha, Ethernet is as old as that, I said “crossover” knowingly, the shape is similar. Of course you need to carry your Ethernet cable, no one will unplug their device to give you a cable. But you don’t mind to carry that huge Ethernet cable, what angers you is to attach a 2 inch adapter to that.

It does not anger me. :-)  
But it is outright unprofessional to market machines as Pro without the most commonly used ports built into the machine. 

All my Macs (new and old) have built in ethernet, thank you. A machine without a built in ethernet port will simply not be bought by me or a large range of businesses.

Sorry the space constraints only allow the addition of multi-purpose ports. They cannot compromise the thermal envelope and the portability of their laptops by adding each single-purpose port to the machine. Remember, a laptop is not cooled down by the fans, the fans only cool down the CPU and GPU, the rest of your laptop needs to cool down itself, and for that, for fast heat dissipation, a thin profile is needed.

The thermal envelope of the enclosure is a SELF IMPOSED constraint by the idiotic mantra "the next product must be thinner". 
It is the same constraint that made a complete arse of the keyboard, to use a word even Ive would recognize.