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dysamoria said:

canukstorm said:

dysamoria said:

To the people saying things like “why do you think you know better than Apple, who have done market research on what pros need”... Clearly Apple are capable of making mistakes. The 2013 Mac Pro is a most relevant example (among other things). They’re not some kind of magical, all-seeing, market geniuses. In fact, they seem to be weirdly uninformed. So often it seems that Apple live inside a mirrored ball, and they do not like to look outside of it. They certainly ignore users online. In claiming to have consulted professionals, it seems Apple consulted only the project leads at wealthy & monstrous studios like Pixar and Disney, but forgot about ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE that have historically bought Mac Pro computers.

They don’t even seem to use their own equipment / software for daily work (the only conclusion I can come to when I continuously find the need to report bugs, especially in iOS). We know for a fact that they don’t use their own computers for their services (they use Linux PCs on the back end; so much for eating their own dog food).

It’s amazing how the apologists keep twisting things around. Before this machine was announced, the apologists kept telling pros that they didn’t really need a tower Mac any more. That they didn’t need more than an iMac or a Mac Mini. That their demands were ridiculous, and they were just arrogant egoists with a tech fetish. THEN, immediately after Apple announced this 1%-market monstrous “Mac Pixar” machine, the apologists tell the wider Mac Pro market “You don’t understand! THIS COMPUTER ISN’T FOR YOU!” Apple went from one extreme to the opposite, and the apologists are entirely happy to play the same mental gymnastics.

Anyone who says a Mac Mini, Macbook Pro, or iMac is “good enough” for [sub-elite] professional work, have you ever done actual hard core GPU and CPU work on any of Apple’s compact, sealed, pathologically thin computers? Maybe doing hours of high-resolution photographic 3D renderings? How is that working out for you? Fan noise bothering you when it hits max temp? Machines too hot to type on, rendering multitasking useless to you? How many of your machines have burned out from repetitive heating and cooling? Do you get the maximum performance FULL time, or does it throttle after a while and result in a machine that actually is slower than its rating?

Just because there are owners of prior Mac Pro machines who cannot afford this new $12,000 machine does not mean they are not pros, and does not mean that Apple’s other machines are “just fine” for their needs. Apple ignored a market segment here, one which is probably wider than the one they aimed at, and there are people who are rightfully pissed about it. Stop telling them what they need and don’t need, and stop telling them they’re not professionals just because $12,000+ machines aren’t an easy business budget line item for them.

For what it's worth, here are thoughts from a professional photographer who uses top-end 2019 27" 5K iMac

https://diglloyd.com/blog/2019/20190527_1025-iMac5K2019-experience-so-far.html

Thanks for that link. I mistakenly typed “photographic” instead of “photorealistic” in my comment; I’ve since corrected it. While photography can use some CPU and GPU, it has not been one of the bigger “machine melting” scenarios I’ve encountered. 3D rendering and gaming are. When it’s the CPU and the GPU both going together at max, for hours at a time...

I’ve had a Macbook Pro die from thermal stress (gaming and network 3D rendering nodes) and that has made me intentionally *underuse* my remaining Macbook Pro. Rendering a Logic project can run the machine hot, too, but for much less time, and that’s not the GPU going at the same time, either. Apple’s compact machines are brilliant for internet and office work, and the iMac can be a great hobbyist/pro photographer’s tool, but I don’t trust these machines for heavy duty tasks that require 100% CPU/GPU for hours at a time. I cannot afford to buy a replacement machine every couple of years when they die from thermal extremes.

Diagothecat said:

bitmod said:

So in Canadian funds, to get into a basic model and the usual upgrades, the new display and stand with a mouse, keyboard, and AppleCare, Taxes... $20,000!
Thats right... $20,000 

This is exactly what Pro's have been screaming for...

We don’t have to buy the display from Apple and i’ll bet a lot won’t just because of the stand price. 

gatorguy said:

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StrangeDays said:

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racerhomie3 said:

I am sure this key would ‘leak’ on the black market just like how CIA’s or NSA’s malware is being to damage American cities.

In fact I'm wondering if this is already in play in a couple of other countries.  It would explain how Apple iMessage has escaped the same fate of the other encrypted messaging services who have refused to cow-tow in China and Russia. 

Are you honestly suggesting Apple has given Russia access to everyone's encrypted iMessages, and not told anyone? Is that honestly what you're suggesting?

If Apple still runs the Russia service once the changeover is in full effect then no I don't think Apple would turn over any messages that were not already existing in the users Cloud account. They'll comply with the law just as they do everywhere else they do business and they can't turn over what they don't have. 

BUT If they do as they did in China and turn it all over to a Russian agency to operate, no longer even branded as an Apple service, then of course it would not be Apple making the choices. Clean hands.

 

Not what I asked. You're moving the goalposts. What you said: "In fact I'm wondering if this is already in play in a couple of other countries"

So again -- are you honestly suggesting Apple has already handed over iMessage to Russia without telling anyone? FUD, FUD, FUD. All the little FUD pellets you leave behind you...

There are no secret data sharing of encrypted iMessages with governments. The only thing close to it is China's operation of the iCloud servers. Anything else you're suggested may already be in place is simply bullshit.

Since I'm wondering and you apparently have evidence there's nothing to wonder about how would you explain that the secure and end-to-end encrypted Signal and Telegram have been banned from operating there while the equally secure and encrypted end-to-end iMessage is just fine, or did it just never occur to you?

Is there any way to disprove you? Because your claim “Signal and Telegram are banned in Russia while iMessage not. ERGO Apple is delivering customer data to Russian state” is a so much unfalsifiable assertion that it defeats every attempt of reasoning.

I'm not claiming any fact about Russia and iMessage. I'm wondering about what I see as an oddity. How would YOU explain it? Maybe Russia just hasn't gotten around to iMessage yet and their turn is coming? Certainly another possibility that neither of can prove/disprove either. Thus wondering.... 

Start by investigating why Signal and Telegram are banned then. 

I already did, long before you mentioned it. It has nothing to do with Russia being worried that users phone numbers and personal identification were being connected. If that were the case it seems more likely Russia would welcome it as a way of identifying potential "enemies of the state". That's actually mandated by Russia. See this from last fall:
http://tass.com/politics/1029402

gatorguy said:

Seems more likely you're making something up just to be dismissive. Why bother if you don't want discuss more honestly? Just drop out of the conversation. 

Here's the actual reason:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/13/moscow-court-bans-telegram-messaging-app
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-telegram/russia-tries-more-precise-technology-to-block-telegram-messenger-idUSKCN1LF1ZZ

JWSC said:

macplusplus said:

gatorguy said:

StrangeDays said:

gatorguy said:

racerhomie3 said:

I am sure this key would ‘leak’ on the black market just like how CIA’s or NSA’s malware is being to damage American cities.

In fact I'm wondering if this is already in play in a couple of other countries.  It would explain how Apple iMessage has escaped the same fate of the other encrypted messaging services who have refused to cow-tow in China and Russia. 

Are you honestly suggesting Apple has given Russia access to everyone's encrypted iMessages, and not told anyone? Is that honestly what you're suggesting?

Man, who pays you to drop such copious amounts of FUD pellets on everything Apple? What do you get out suggesting such nonsense?

If Apple still runs the Russia service once the changeover is in full effect then no I don't think Apple would turn over any messages that were not already existing in the users Cloud account.

BUT If they do as they did in China and turn it all over to a Russian agency, no longer even branded as an Apple service, then of course it would not be Apple making the choices. Clean hands 

Yours is a very bold claim: iCloud run and monitored by Chinese agency ! Any link for that? All the Chinese wanted from Apple was keeping the servers in mainland China...

Read it and weep.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-china-user-data-state-run-telecom-privacy-security

gatorguy said:

StrangeDays said:

gatorguy said:

racerhomie3 said:

I am sure this key would ‘leak’ on the black market just like how CIA’s or NSA’s malware is being to damage American cities.

In fact I'm wondering if this is already in play in a couple of other countries.  It would explain how Apple iMessage has escaped the same fate of the other encrypted messaging services who have refused to cow-tow in China and Russia. 

Are you honestly suggesting Apple has given Russia access to everyone's encrypted iMessages, and not told anyone? Is that honestly what you're suggesting?

Man, who pays you to drop such copious amounts of FUD pellets on everything Apple? What do you get out suggesting such nonsense?

If Apple still runs the Russia service once the changeover is in full effect then no I don't think Apple would turn over any messages that were not already existing in the users Cloud account.

BUT If they do as they did in China and turn it all over to a Russian agency, no longer even branded as an Apple service, then of course it would not be Apple making the choices. Clean hands