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elijahg said:

macplusplus said:

iOS DOES have an open file system. Every app’s every file is open to every other app. Simply its organization is different. It just doesn’t have the desktop metaphor, that’s all. For those who want to access to kexts, drivers, daemons and alike, the point is for what? Get a conventional computer for deep UNIX work, on that sort of computer called iPad, the operating system does not permit to access its guts, take it or leave it...

If the point is to easily assemble files in folders per project or task basis, then there is the Files app and iCloud. One no longer needs to keep Pages documents in the Pages app’s directory, these days have long gone. Yet iOS does not prevent anyone from using third party file storage and sharing systems, such as Dropbox, OneDrive or Google Drive. There’s no sharing in Cloud Drive but alternatively Apple provides full collaboration in its productivity apps, which is multiple times better than that primitive form of collaboration called file sharing.

Try moving 20 files from one folder to another in the Files app. Let me know how long it takes you. 

So what? That will depend on the size of the files, obviously...

elijahg said:

Oh and let me know how you get on hooking up your iPad to a non-Airprint printer

Does Apple have such a claim? Apple clearly states that the way to print in iOS is AirPrint, so what's your point?

elijahg said:

or sending your 5GB 4k movie to a PC-toting friend. 

Connect the iPad to the PC on USB. The PC will see the iPad's Photo Library as "camera storage" and you will drag & drop the 5GB 4K movie on Windows desktop. If that movie is not in the Photo Library then use iTunes File Sharing from the app that stores it. If that app does not support iTunes File Sharing then transfer it into another app that supports it. Anything else? Oh, compile software...

elijahg said:

Also good luck compiling software on the iPad.

Those living in your fantasy world need that luck. Apple has never made such a claim regarding software development on iOS. Yet there are several utilities in iOS AppStore that help software development written and submitted by the developers themselves.

elijahg said:

The point of access to the OS is to make the device a powerful, professional device that everyone can use as a full blown computer. Not just this subset of people you like to claim are the majority of users. It's a "Pro" device that is realistically no more capable than the non-pro iPad that's $700 less.

It is very well capable than that $700 less iPad. Tech spec are there, people will compare and decide then again what is your point? Apple has never made such a claim that everyone can use the iPad as a full blown computer. That's your fantasy.

GeorgeBMac said:

virgilisleading42 said:

Please please add a trackpad to the add on keyboard. The irony about what Craig Federighi statement: “We really feel that the ergonomics of using a Mac are that your hands are rested on a surface, and that lifting your arm up to poke a screen is a pretty fatiguing thing to do.” is that is exactly what they've created with an ipad pro because they wont allow for a trackpad or mouse to be attached just a keyboard. Please please allow us to add one Apple.

Add a trackpad?

THEY DID!   THEY DID THAT ALREADY!   (at least for typing)

mac_128 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

virgilisleading42 said:

Please please add a trackpad to the add on keyboard. The irony about what Craig Federighi statement: “We really feel that the ergonomics of using a Mac are that your hands are rested on a surface, and that lifting your arm up to poke a screen is a pretty fatiguing thing to do.” is that is exactly what they've created with an ipad pro because they wont allow for a trackpad or mouse to be attached just a keyboard. Please please allow us to add one Apple.

Add a trackpad?

THEY DID!   THEY DID THAT ALREADY!   (at least for typing)

While typing on either the iPhone or the iPad, hold the space bar down for a second or two and the keyboard is replaced with a touchpad.

So, now the question is:  "When will they provide that ability to an external touchpad?"

The question is no longer IF but WHEN?

Detailed instructions on how to do this are from CNBC:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/19/how-to-use-iphone-keyboard-like-a-mouse-by-holding-space-button.html

I pointed this out earlier. This is from Apples website:

You guys seem very resolute about keeping your iPads all the time on your desks but this is not what the iPad is for. The iPad that sits all the time on a desk is no longer an iPad, it is just a less capable laptop. You'd do better with a true laptop in that case.

Besides, a trackpad's resolution never compares to the resolution of the iPad on top of which the Touch interface is built. This is why your fingers, so dumb and rough on the trackpad become magically precise when using iMovie on the iPad. This is also what makes playing 3D games on the iPad possible, with a trackpad you can never play 3D games as fluently as you can on the iPad.

ireland said:

rogifan_new said:

Why are people so offended by iPad and the term computer? It’s so bizarre to me how much iPad upsets some people. But it’s not like Apple has put a gun to your head and said you can only use iPad. If it doesn’t work for you use something else.

In part I believe what’s bothering people so much is the price of an iPad Pro considering how the software works.

Considering that the software works excellently and identically to their desktop counterparts (AutoCAD, MS Office, GarageBand, iMovie, Pages, Number, Keynote, Pixelmator, the incoming Photoshop...) and even more precisely and creatively thanks to Pencil, the price of the iPad Pro is actually bargain.

ireland said:

andrehinds said:

So many people complain that the iPad Pro can't replace their computer. Well, it's true that the iPad Pro can't REPLACE their computer, but remember this. In 1984, the 128K Macintosh couldn't replace my IBM Selectric typewriter. For instance, where do you put the piece of paper? What? You have to buy something extra to print something out? Well, that's not a replacement! Therefore, the Macintosh must have been garbage! It's now 2018, and I haven't used an IBM Selectric in 31 years. One of these days, I will no longer use a Macintosh. This isn't that day, but it's coming sooner than you expect. And some of the reasons are explained in this commercial.

The difference is the IBM you mentioned could do less things than a Mac, but a Mac can do more things can an iPad and faster. So your analogy isn’t a great one. When I say faster I don’t mean processor speed, but power and precision.

Not always. With Pencil you get better precision than the mouse or trackpad. Even a Wacom tablet can't get that close considering other usage cases of Pencil and the mobility the iPad provides.

netrox said:

The headline implies Apple is promoting iPad Pro as a laptop repaclemnt but nowhere did the commercial say that. It merely said that it can be your next computer. My "next computer" is my iPad Pro 11. iPad can be the next computer for many people but it won't be the primary computer for me as a software developer. I must have macOS with Intel inside. iPad Pro is DEFINTELY more powerful than most laptops but the iOS is nowhere as powerful as MacOS.

Yes. For those who want to experience the power of  full macOS in an iPad footprint there is the Retina Macbook. Still not satisfied? Then there is the new Macbook Air. If iPads were a “replacement” then none of these Macbooks would exist. Apple just offers an alternative. Alternative does not mean “necessity”.

MplsP said:

entropys said:

That is just embarrassing.too soon. And I say this as someone who uses an iPad Pro for mobile work purposes for hours each day.   Apple needs to supersede the software limitations of iOS before it can try this line on with any credibility.

Mr Cook should just tap his heels together three times and repeat:

”I don’t have Steve’s Reality Distortion Field”
”I don’t have Steve’s Reality Distortion Field”
”I don’t have Steve’s Reality Distortion Field”

Edit: I can can see the future myriad parody versions already.
edit2: to replace computers the tag line should be “better than a computer”. But only once it is true. We aren’t there yet.

yojimbo007 said:

Close... but not before there is a core comprehensive, roubust file/folder management system with a consitant UI at the heart of ios.. accessible from every app for all types of files. Lack of this is a massive handicap... plus the restricted usb-c io

Exactly. The iPad is perfectly capable of being a very powerful laptop replacement, but it's still hamstrung by iOS. iOS 11 was a huge leap forward with the files app, better ability to multitask, etc. Unfortunately it still has significant limitations in terms of capabilities and usability Apple just needs to mature things a bit more. 

Everyone keeps saying things like "it can be a laptop replacement for some people," which is true. That's true of any device if your demands are limited enough. Heck, some people can replace their laptop with an iPhone. The problem here is that apple is marketing the iPad as a laptop powerful machine that can be a replacement for everyone and overpromising. In doing so they risk alienating a lot of people by selling them a $1500 machine that doesn't do what they promise it can.

I remember when that first narration has appeared and that was discussed here too. Schiller never said “everyone” in that Keynote, he said “many” or “...for many”. At least semantically there is nothing wrong with that first formulation. That may virtually “alienate” only first time computer buyers, which are mostly millenials, to whom you must really explain why a computer is better (is it?) than a PS4. Millenials don’t give a shit about trackpad, mouse or keyboard, they have smartphones and game controllers. They even use the iPad or a trackpad with both hands, they’re kinda different creatures, their brains are already wired differently...

I still can admit that it may have created some confusion in non-millenials, but not as much to justify that hate speech. Because Apple maintains a consistent product strategy with clearly defined product specs and fixed architecture with well defined limits. That helps the confused to come to a correct decision about a laptop or iPad.