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Apple insists to EU antitrust regulators that it runs five App Stores, not one
And game consoles require different versions for each console too… but that doesn’t mean a single location selling games for all platforms is a different store for each one.foregoneconclusion said:
Apple Arcade still requires unique versions of the app for each OS and type of hardware that it runs on. I play NBA2K all the time on Apple Arcade and that game is definitely not identical on each platform. I think Apple does have a valid point with this.nubus said: We had the exact same problem when Apple in November told EU it had 3 different browsers all called Safari. https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/11/03/apple-told-eu-regulators-it-has-three-browsers-all-called-safari - that was pretty ugly, and here we go again. With Apple Arcade being "available across devices" and Apple telling how similar things are - and how apps now can be binary compatible across most platforms.
Think about AAA games that are available on Windows, Playstation, Xbox and Switch.
An Apple developer has the option of making a universal binary compatible with all Apple platforms, but a lot choose to release them as separate apps limited to each platform for whatever reason.
Theres one App Store management portal for developers, and developers get paid from one legal entity for the App Store. App Store can share universal binaries, or developers can choose to restrict them to certain platforms.
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Apple insists to EU antitrust regulators that it runs five App Stores, not one
They could, but they won’t… are you aware of just how many apps are developed by EU developers? It’s an international marketplace, and isolating them like that would hurt everyone22july2013 said:If the EU persists in this, Apple could separate its App Store into two different App Stores:
* one in the EU where only EU developers could upload code, and
* one for the rest of the world where the rest of the world could sell there software.
Nobody from the EU could sell apps in the worldwide store, and nobody from outside the EU could sell apps in the EU store.
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Apple insists to EU antitrust regulators that it runs five App Stores, not one
The EU has a say because Apple sells their products there. Governments have the power to regulate stuff being sold in their borders.JustimAthlon said:
It does matter where the product is created though. Why should someone literally on the other side of the planet have any say about what I do? They are trying to force their views upon us. Look, I think it’s fine that they want things a certain way. I’m cool with that, but they aren’t doing that. They are forcing a company that isn’t in their area of control to do something that they shouldn’t have to deal with. They should have done this 20 years ago if it meant that much to them. Same with the whole usb-c thing. “Trying to save landfills from e-waste.” Created a decades worth of e-waste from literally every country all around the planet. Good job at stopping waste, because usb-c will totally be around in a decade and it’s going to take that long to stop the lightning cables from being around. It’s stupid. You want to stop waste? This is where you stop it. Stopping the EU from doing stupid stuff. They got away with the ridiculous waste of usb-c, now you want them to run app stores? There will be many more power hungry server farms now. So, more e-waste, more power hungry server farms that use coal for power. Good job EU!ctt_zh said:
It's not where a product is created that is important here, it's simply whether or not a product is sold in the EU that matters to the EU regulators. Doesn't matter if the product is created in America, Japan, China, Vietnam, the EU, wherever... the number of high tech companies in Europe compared to America is completely irrelevant.rob53 said:
As for anything the EU does, it's time they quit trying to run another country's product line. I'm sorry but anything related to current computers and operating systems rarely is created in EU countries anymore. Sure, you can find a few high tech companies in the EU but not as many as before and nowhere near as many as in the USA.
if Apple doesn’t want to comply, they’re absolutely free to stop selling all products in the EU and there’s nothing they’d be able to do about it then.
On the flip side, do you also think the U.S. shouldn’t be able to regulate products from other countries that are being sold in the U.S.?
I mean, the counterfeit AirPods are fine in China, so why is the U.S. interfering with the sale of them?
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Apple insists to EU antitrust regulators that it runs five App Stores, not one
Then why can I buy a game on iOS and get the same game on macOS for no extra charge?foregoneconclusion said:
It's not like GameStop. The Mac App Store only sells Mac versions of games. The iPhone App Store only sells iPhone versions of games. Etc.caskey said: The more correct analogy would be to say they were like a GameStop. They sell games for X Box PlayStation and Nintendo…different platforms, but it’s still one marketplace.
And if you buy a Mac, Apple doesn't give you an iPhone/iPad/ATV/Watch along with it. You buy all those things separately.
The Mac App Store absolutely sells you iOS apps, it’s just up to the developer if they don’t want to. -
Apple insists to EU antitrust regulators that it runs five App Stores, not one
The “different” stores are just a filter depending on the device.rob53 said:Apple is correct in stating there are five stores because the software available in each store only works on a specific platform. This is like saying a company that owns a pharmacy, sporting goods store, hardware store, grocery store and electronics store is required to call all of them one store, maybe called PSHGE, instead of five different stores carrying different products. There are many companies that have multiple store fronts with different names that keep their stores separate. (don't ask me specifics, because I don't care to research this but take a company like Whirlpool, who makes all kinds of brands of household products, each having a store under the brand's name)
As for anything the EU does, it's time they quit trying to run another country's product line. I'm sorry but anything related to current computers and operating systems rarely is created in EU countries anymore. Sure, you can find a few high tech companies in the EU but not as many as before and nowhere near as many as in the USA.
By that logic, Amazon.com, and the Amazon app are separate stores too because they don’t have the same products available to buy.
Logically that makes no sense, but that’s the argument Apple is trying to make here.
if anything the App Store is a single store, but with different departments for each device type… some products may be stocked in two places, some may be exclusive to one.
On the backend developers have a single portal and whether an app is shown on a certain device is a simple checkbox… especially in the case of macOS because it can natively run iOS / iPadOS apps.
