andrewj5790

GeorgeBMac said:

Daniel needs to stick to tech.  He just doesn't understand marketing.  Or, more correctly, he pretends that it either doesn't exist or has no impact.

Yes Daniel, Google is cleaning house in education with their Chomebooks.

No Daniel, they don't have to make money on them.

Google is accomplishing 2 of their goals:

1)  Establishing a comfort level with school admins with their products as well as indoctrinating kids with their products and ecosystem.   How many grade schoolers now have Google IDs and familiarity with Google Docs and other ecosystem products -- but not with Apple?

2)  In education Google's product is the kid and his data.  And Google is cleaning house there...

Daniel assumes that superior technology will always win out over marketing strategies and proclaims that it is "proven".  Actually, nothing could be further from the truth.   If it were, everybody would be running either MacOS or OS2 instead of Windows today.  But, despite being superior technologies, both got beat and stayed beat. 

sfolax said:

DanielEran said:

sfolax said:

andrewj5790 said:

sfolax said:

"April Fools" then continues to post links to his own previous articles. DED, you need to relax a little and stop being so defensive on everything.

How many times does this have to be said? No. One. Else. Is. Calling. Out. The. Media. The whole point of DED articles is to defend against what no one else (except the Macalope) will call out as the preposterousness that it is. The whole point of the article is to be defensive, because most normal tech media attacks Apple all the time and builds up these false narratives. 

Give me one example where he was right? 

Look at his first "Truth" 
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/03/24/editorial-bloomberg-spins-apples-event-as-a-desperate-blind-stab-for-cheap-ipads-in-education
Second to last paragraph:

"But of all the things Apple can outline in its education event, "new low-cost iPads" are the least likely to appear. Apple's historical move against cheap commodity has been to release a new leap in functional technology that makes its products more valuable at the same price point. The most obvious step is suggested by the calligraphy of the event's invite, which looks as if drawn by an Apple Pencil."

So what did Apple do? Release a new low cost iPad.
In fact even AI did an article about the lower price for students - https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/03/27/apple-offers-new-ipad-to-schools-and-education-customers-at-discounted-299

I can pull out many other examples where his arguments fell flat. Unfortunately No. One. Else. Is. Calling. Out. The. Hypocrisy.

First off, "defensive" is the wrong word. The article is an offensive attack on lies or just cliche narratives that aren't really accurate and create a false impression. Defensive would be making an excuse. You used the word defensive as part of your own cliche narrative that I write out of "fear" for a multibillion-dollar global company as if AppleInsider shifts international discourse. I write to be right. I've been pretty accurately covering the real trajectory of tech for almost 20 years. 

The previous article you cited actually took Mark Gurman to task for his Bloomberg article "Apple Tries to Win Back Students and Teachers With Low-Cost iPad," carrying water for Google's Chromebook dumping. Three years in, Chromebooks haven't budged an inch in the enterprise. They're still a K-12 phenomenon and growth has stopped. Are you defending that as accurate, because that's a stupid position to try to support. It is, however, the same delusional thing that tech media wonks were saying about Android tablets as I pointed out for years that iPads were gaining in enterprise use and getting real app support while Google just pushed for cheaper and cheaper commodity tablets that were really just big phones. When it tried to raise the price of its Nexus/Pixel tablet and copy iPad, it fell on its face and crawled out of tablets entirely. 

The 2018 iPad is not a low-cost iPad priced to compete with cheap Chromebooks. It is, as I wrote, inline with "Apple's historical move against cheap commodity," "to release a new leap in functional technology that makes its products more valuable at the same price point."

There is a new edu discount, but Apple didn't release the new refresh as a "low cost" effort but as a premium value-add with support for the $99 Apple Pencil from the high-end iPad Pro line (as I predicted as "the most obvious step is suggested by the calligraphy of the event's invite, which looks as if drawn by an Apple Pencil.")

So as presented, the 2018 iPad is actually significantly more expensive than the 2017 model. 

Also, the word "Hypocrisy" has a meaning. It's not just a general insult. Look it up.

Sorry man, that's a really cool story but even AI says the 2018 iPad is the Budget iPad.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/03/31/this-week-on-ai-apples-budget-ipad-gets-the-pencil-apple-watch-rumors-ios-113-more

There are many other articles that does the same, done by other writers that come to a similar conclusion. But you state it's more expensive.
So who is right?

DanielEran said:

sfolax said:

andrewj5790 said:

sfolax said:

"April Fools" then continues to post links to his own previous articles. DED, you need to relax a little and stop being so defensive on everything.

How many times does this have to be said? No. One. Else. Is. Calling. Out. The. Media. The whole point of DED articles is to defend against what no one else (except the Macalope) will call out as the preposterousness that it is. The whole point of the article is to be defensive, because most normal tech media attacks Apple all the time and builds up these false narratives. 

Give me one example where he was right? 

Look at his first "Truth" 
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/03/24/editorial-bloomberg-spins-apples-event-as-a-desperate-blind-stab-for-cheap-ipads-in-education
Second to last paragraph:

"But of all the things Apple can outline in its education event, "new low-cost iPads" are the least likely to appear. Apple's historical move against cheap commodity has been to release a new leap in functional technology that makes its products more valuable at the same price point. The most obvious step is suggested by the calligraphy of the event's invite, which looks as if drawn by an Apple Pencil."

So what did Apple do? Release a new low cost iPad.
In fact even AI did an article about the lower price for students - https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/03/27/apple-offers-new-ipad-to-schools-and-education-customers-at-discounted-299

I can pull out many other examples where his arguments fell flat. Unfortunately No. One. Else. Is. Calling. Out. The. Hypocrisy.

First off, "defensive" is the wrong word. The article is an offensive attack on lies or just cliche narratives that aren't really accurate and create a false impression. Defensive would be making an excuse. You used the word defensive as part of your own cliche narrative that I write out of "fear" for a multibillion-dollar global company as if AppleInsider shifts international discourse. I write to be right. I've been pretty accurately covering the real trajectory of tech for almost 20 years. 

The previous article you cited actually took Mark Gurman to task for his Bloomberg article "Apple Tries to Win Back Students and Teachers With Low-Cost iPad," carrying water for Google's Chromebook dumping. Three years in, Chromebooks haven't budged an inch in the enterprise. They're still a K-12 phenomenon and growth has stopped. Are you defending that as accurate, because that's a stupid position to try to support. It is, however, the same delusional thing that tech media wonks were saying about Android tablets as I pointed out for years that iPads were gaining in enterprise use and getting real app support while Google just pushed for cheaper and cheaper commodity tablets that were really just big phones. When it tried to raise the price of its Nexus/Pixel tablet and copy iPad, it fell on its face and crawled out of tablets entirely. 

The 2018 iPad is not a low-cost iPad priced to compete with cheap Chromebooks. It is, as I wrote, inline with "Apple's historical move against cheap commodity," "to release a new leap in functional technology that makes its products more valuable at the same price point."

There is a new edu discount, but Apple didn't release the new refresh as a "low cost" effort but as a premium value-add with support for the $99 Apple Pencil from the high-end iPad Pro line (as I predicted as "the most obvious step is suggested by the calligraphy of the event's invite, which looks as if drawn by an Apple Pencil.")

So as presented, the 2018 iPad is actually significantly more expensive than the 2017 model. 

Also, the word "Hypocrisy" has a meaning. It's not just a general insult. Look it up.

sfolax said:

andrewj5790 said:

sfolax said:

"April Fools" then continues to post links to his own previous articles. DED, you need to relax a little and stop being so defensive on everything.

How many times does this have to be said? No. One. Else. Is. Calling. Out. The. Media. The whole point of DED articles is to defend against what no one else (except the Macalope) will call out as the preposterousness that it is. The whole point of the article is to be defensive, because most normal tech media attacks Apple all the time and builds up these false narratives. 

Give me one example where he was right? 

Look at his first "Truth" 
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/03/24/editorial-bloomberg-spins-apples-event-as-a-desperate-blind-stab-for-cheap-ipads-in-education
Second to last paragraph:

"But of all the things Apple can outline in its education event, "new low-cost iPads" are the least likely to appear. Apple's historical move against cheap commodity has been to release a new leap in functional technology that makes its products more valuable at the same price point. The most obvious step is suggested by the calligraphy of the event's invite, which looks as if drawn by an Apple Pencil."

So what did Apple do? Release a new low cost iPad.
In fact even AI did an article about the lower price for students - https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/03/27/apple-offers-new-ipad-to-schools-and-education-customers-at-discounted-299

I can pull out many other examples where his arguments fell flat. Unfortunately No. One. Else. Is. Calling. Out. The. Hypocrisy.

sfolax said:

"April Fools" then continues to post links to his own previous articles. DED, you need to relax a little and stop being so defensive on everything.