ac1234

tele1234 said:

ac1234 said:

OK - as you have set your self up as the one who understands "...what drives the values of stocks and shares...", please take your premise about P/E  and multiples and, for a starter,  discuss how that explains Amazon's capital appreciation.

Now, how about an explanation of TSLA P/E and multiple vis a vis their share price?

Taking the mean of estimations for AMZN, we're at ($0 + $755) / (1 + 11.8%) = $675 or thereabouts, their current stock price give or take the cents. AMZN's still a good buy in the eyes of most analysts, but there are some out there who think it's quite overvalued. Rather than me regurgitate information at you, the majority of 'why' discussion can be found here. Basically boils down to better than expected results and extrapolation of previous growth.

I'm not familiar with Tesla, I don't heavily invest in them.

dmdev said:

sog35 said:

Agree 100%

Either Tim Cook needs to hire some new people who can articulate Apples vision and counter Wall street FUD or he needs to resign.

2015 was the most profitable year for any company in the history of man. Yet the stock is down 5% for the year. The main reason is because Cook failed to control the message of the company. The entire investing community views Apple as a one trick pony with a trick that has peaked. This is so far from the truth.  Apple has so many current and future revenue streams to easily double revenue from this point.  But Cook has failed at convincing Wall Street that iPad, Watch, AppleTV, ApplePay, Apple Car, Beats, Apple Music, ect have a bright future and can add hundreds of billions in future revenue.

Amazon CEO was able to convince Wall Street that Cloud services would be huge. But Amazon cloud generates less than $1 billion in profit. Apple Watch profits dwarf Amazon cloud. But Cook refuses to release Watch figures so Wall street gives Watch zero credit.

Something is wrong with Apple's investor relations. I can't even speak to a live person.  I call the number and all you can do is leave a message.  I left 3 messages and no one called back. I mean what the fuck.  I have tens of thousands invested and they can't even return a fucking phone call?

Wall Street totally disrespects Tim Cook and pisses on his face. Various analysist have flatout called Tim Cook a liar and a cheat. Other said he was breaking SEC rules and manipulating numbers. WTF.  You never hear this kind of shit directed at Google/Amazon/Microsoft CEO.  Only Cook. Whatever he is doing, he is doing it wrong.

Not to sound cynical, but this performance works out pretty favorably for Apple's stock buyback program.

nolamacguy said:

cnocbui said:

As has already been pointed out to you, Apple's income is a one-trick-iPony. 

what nonsense. apple's non-iPhone income is greater than most of the other tech players. even if iPhone were wiped out tomorrow apple's income would be fantastic. durr

sog35 said:

ac1234 said:

This settlement is a great concern w/i the EU.  With Italy getting the payments all other EU governments are being encouraged to go for it.  Reports for the holiday sales are touting Fitbit as the smart watch that dominated sales (volume vs profit is an unknown).  Eddy "The Slob" Cue can't close movie content deals / Apple TV 4 missing 4k capability and being released so late is a big miss.  These are among the things as to why AAPL is trading so low.  That huge pile of cash can be squandered / lost faster than most of us think.

The Italy case and the EU case are totally different.  Just because Apple settled with Italy does not mean a thing regarding the EU case.

Fitbit is not a competitor of AppleWatch. That's like comparing Louis Vutton bags to Glad Trash bags.

cnocbui said:

sog35 said:

Why is it dumb?  This fine is the only reason the stock is down so much. 

Because of Tim Cook every single slight negative gets blown out of proportion. The reason is because Wall Street thinks Apple is a hardware company, the iPhone Inc.  And that is a failure of Tim Cook not conviencing Wall Street Apple is an ecosystem company.

This fine is just the start.  Australia and Ireland will follow and moves are afoot to close the door on this sort of dreadful multinational corporate tax minimisation so the days of Apple and other multinationals amassing huge piles of cash, to the extent they have been able to paying just 2% tax, may be soon over.

Add in a dose of -

Foxconn reduces overtime as iPhone holiday sales fall 5% to 10% under expectations?

- and you have a bad news day.