disneylandman

Metriacanthosaurus said:

While it seems odd, this is not unexpected to me at all. iOS 13.0 is a disaster and since beta 2 I've known that this was going to be a bomb of a release. And clearly they know it, because they are going to move right past 13.0 (never releasing it to the general public) and skip to 13.1 which will be the bare minimum for public consumption.

Nice trolling....you copied and pasted the same drivel at 9to5 too.  Nice that you made that assumption after a second beta release, without using any of the others...skipping beta 3 through 7 and continued betas to be released.

Just like the last round of updates to the watch, MacBooks, etc. which came with an unjustified price hike, and the ridiculous $1,000 stand for a monitor, the new iPhone 'Pro' (which is just plain stupid), will also come with a significant price hike...for nothing more than a name.  The Xs was a failure for Apple, as well as iPhone sales, because they are constantly pushing the trade-in to get people to buy an Xr....still doing it 11 months later!  Apple doesn't even place the Xs on the top of the page.  The mediocre features and the price hike of the Xs was a failure as more people were not willing to shell out $999 - $1,449 for the top of the line model (with all iPhone sales, most prefer the higher capacity models), instead going for the $750 Xr.  So they can come out with their Pro and likely the price will start at $1,299 or more, and people will boo in the audience once again, as they did with the $1,000 monitor stand.

Sadly, Apple still won't get it.  Jobs wanted the iPhone to be affordable for everyone.  Cook wants it affordable only for the super-elite in Cupertino.  The word Pro is just a silly marketing term.  If those three-camera and out of placed flash are any close to being real, that is one ugly phone.  I think consumers stuck it to Apple with their wallets by preferring the lower cost Xr over the not-worth-the-money Xs.

StrangeDays said:

Rajka said:

Pro means nothing any longer with Apple products. Well, not entirely; it generally means Apple is charging a higher Apple tax on that product so the customer can earn the privilege of buying one.

Wrong. Pro has always, always meant better-tier product offering. Simply take a look at MBPs, iPad Pros. It’s a term they use to market their higher-equipped models. Always has been. 

Further, Apple products are less expensive than crappier computers when TCO is calculated. IBM and others have white papers on this. 

Funny that you intentionally left out the 2013 Mac Pro.  That was not better in any of the reasons you suggested.

chasm said:

rossb2 said:

"pro" seems ridiculous in a phone context. You dont have to be a professional to use a phone....

This may come as a shock to you, but the name "pro" on something is a marketing marker to denote more power/potential and/or price. That's it.

To those of us out here actually doing pro work, the word "pro" is short for "professional," meaning "someone who is trained and skilled and gets paid for their work." Since that meaning of "pro" can't apply to machines, "pro" has always been a marketing moniker to attract the attention of professionals, but can be important to literally any kind of customer.

It's nearly 2020, and I'm having to explain this to people.

It is a meaningless marketing term.  Anyone in any career can be considered a 'professional' in that line of work.  Your doctor, lawyer, plumber, welder, contractor, garbage man, janitor, fast food clerk, server, pilot, computer user, youtuber, blogger, pest control, road kill collector....are all considered 'professionals' in their field.  Your explanation is only to boost your ego when anyone in any field is a professional.  It is meaningless...except to fool the consumer to pay a higher price.

andrewj5790 said:

rossb2 said:

"pro" seems ridiculous in a phone context. You dont have to be a professional to use a phone....

You also don’t have to be a professional to use a MacBook Pro... 

And you proved his point.  The word 'Pro' is a joke.  Apple only uses the term to increase the price.  As I commented before, the only difference between the MacBook and MacBook Pro, not too long ago, was the addition of a FireWire port.  Hardly worth being called a 'Pro' for one common-use port, even on an iMac.