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smackdown said:

Beats said:

Everyone online said these were too expensive so I doubt they'll sell more than a handful of them......

You've spoken to "everyone online"?

Try buying a pair now; delivery dates currently say mid-March for those in the US. Something tells me that Apple will make "more than a handful" of these.

22july2013 said:

sdw2001 said:

22july2013 said:

No mic? I can't use it to talk with my iPhone? The fact that it has active noise cancellation proves it has some sort of mic in it, but not one I can speak into?
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It's labelled with L and R for the Left and Right sides. How are they going to market that in countries where English isn't known or spoken widely?

Dude, please try reading the article. It has multiple mics.  And I'm pretty sure people can figure out what L and R mean.  🙄

Dude, it's illegal to sell products in some countries that are English Only, regardless of whether they can figure it out.

netrox said:

Lame crackers having nothing else to do.

But thanks. 

GeorgeBMac said:

melgross said:

GeorgeBMac said:

melgross said:

ŶGeorgeBMac said:

StrangeDays said:

zimmie said:

mainyehc said:

rcfa said:

The real issue isn’t if M$ is going to port Windows10-ARM in some secret handshake deal with Apple, the key question is, will Apple publicly document their hardware well enough that anyone can port any OS to it.

Like running Linux, FreeBSD, bare metal virtualization software allowing near-instant switching between macOS and other operating systems, etc. etc.

Someone should have asked Craig Federighi THAT question...

What are you talking about? Apple, specifically Craig Federighi, directly addressed that in more than one occasion. M1 chips support that hypervisor framework that obviates the usage of kernel extensions, and a Linux VM was even demoed during the WWDC keynote.

Of course it’s all properly documented, and judging from Parallels’ development blog, Apple even partnered behind the scenes with them. Apple’s recent comments, if you know how to do the Kremlinology that comes with following the company, tell you everything you need to know: it’s up to Microsoft to offer full, non-OEM versions of ARM64 Windows.

Maybe it’s not just a licensing issue, as the M1 is vastly different from those puny Qualcomm offerings, so maybe there’s more work involved. But after the basics are covered, Parallels, VMWare, Oracle, the OSS community, etc., only have to bridge the gap. It’s not like Microsoft has to develop a “VirtualPC redux”.

Interestingly, that developer said in his Twitter that x86-32 emulation was decent, so maybe Microsoft’s equivalent to Rosetta 2 isn’t *that* crappy; its abysmal performance is maybe due to those ARM PCs being severely underperforming.

The hypervisor framework only exists within macOS. The question rica is asking is whether they expect to ever provide enough information for other operating systems to be able to run directly on the hardware without macOS being present. I expect the answer to that is no, which is disappointing. When Apple stops providing OS updates for a given model, it's nice to be able to keep using the hardware by switching to another OS which still gets updates.

I have a macbookpro5,1 (first unibody model from 2008) which still runs perfectly, but hasn't gotten a new macOS since El Cap (10.11; last updated in mid 2018). I also have a macpro2,1 (2006 model with a firmware update) which also still runs perfectly, but Apple only officially supports up through Lion (10.7; last updated in late 2012) on it. With a near-trivial EFI shim, the macpro1,1 and macpro2,1 can run up to El Cap, which got it almost another six years of support, but can't be updated further. Both of these machines now happily run FreeBSD.

While that might be nice, it isn’t Apple’s business model to ensure their hardware works for other platforms. They sell the whole widget. DIY enthusiasts has never been their target market. 

Yeh!  That's why they created BootCamp!

.... Oh wait!   Never mind.....

Apple needed Windows to run well on their machines back then. It’s questionable as to how important that is to Apple’s future today. With Bootcamp, I recall Apple working with Microsoft. But Federighi stating that it was up to Microsoft, reads as though Apple has nothing to do with it, and doesn’t care either way. While there are still those for whom Windows is important on. Macs, that percentage has dropped substantially.

I think Apple may have surrendered trying to compete Macs against Windows and may have simply ceded the market to them.   Not only has WIndows become increasingly stable and user friendly but Apple simply can't compete price wise with mainstream Windows machines.

Instead, they are perhaps shifting the Mac over to be yet another variation of iOS.  Or, more specifically, an extension of the iOS family -- more functional and powerful, but still an iOS variation.

When the Mac’s marketshare had fallen to 2.2% domestically, and to 1.1% worldwide, Jobs said that Microsoft had won the detsktop war, and that Mac users should get over it. But then Mac sales exploded. They keep going up. It’s very possible that with substantial advantages over Windows hardware, that explosion will stop smoldering as it has been over the past few years, and begin again.

peak personal computer sales, which include Linux, Mac and Windows, was between 365 and 370 million. Today, it’s about 265 million. Apple is a much bigger percentage than it ever was, while Linux continues to track overall sales with a varying 1.3 to 1.7% a year.

so while it’s likely true that we will never see a $499 Mac notebook, we might see an $899 one. The Mini is down to $699, which is good. But performance of these new machines is well out of their price classes. Unless somehow parity is restored, we may easily see a lot more people interested in these machines. This is particularly true if game developers, who say they don’t bother because of performance, begin to trickle over. Apple has pushed above the 20 million a year sales barrier. If they can increase sales somewhat close to where it’s been going, and yes, I know some of that is due to the pandemic, though Windows sales haven’t increased by anywhere near the same percentage, then those rising sales, particularly among younger, more financially stable populations, might gain their attention.

At least in the laptop market I do not see the growth of market share that you seem to be seeing.

Instead I see Apple as a rather stagnant, minor player hanging around at about 7 - 9%

Further, I don't see what they offere over above what you could get from most other vendors.   Actually, less since Apple never offered a gaming system or a 2 in 1 much less a moderately priced machine.

But, I agree that we may see future growth coming from younger people.   But, I suspect it will be from those familiar with Apple's iOS products and wanting to keep everything within the family.  Otherwise, what does a MacBook offer that a Lenovo can't match?

22july2013 said:

crowley said:

22july2013 said:

I'm worried some of their words are codewords. For example, "support the sustainability of the news publishing industry" may mean that any big tech reselling British news (eg, Apple News+) will have to hand over all personal data on Apple News+ subscribers so that the local British news businesses would be "sustainable." In that case, I hope Apple stops selling Apple News+ in Britain (or at least stops selling British newspapers in Apple News) because if Apple hands over my personal data to British companies, I will instantly cancel my Apple News subscription within 60 seconds. On the other hand, I don't really care if Apple hands over the personal data of British users to British newspapers. But does Apple really know the nationality of its subscribers? I don't think so. So they would have to stop selling News+ in Britain.

How about we wait for news on what actually will happen rather than degenerating to speculation and meaningless posturing based on those reckons?

Have you never speculated on these forums? That's impressive.