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securtis said:

leavingthebigg said:

mubaili said:

Shame on Apple. Shouldn't they try to make the regulators work a bit harder to at least produce some evidence that an violation indeed happened? Apple is walking down a very slippery slope. I wish Apple can put up a fight when a fight is called.

Interesting that Apple is being condemned instead of the NYT. Instead of fighting for itself, it is blaming Apple. Well, the NYT will earn a lot of money from clicks on articles tarnishing Apple for obeying Chinese law. Taking the word of the NYT about what happened is stupid. We have no idea what Apple did or did not do before removing the NYT app. Trusting the NYT to tell the truth is foolish. 

We can all read between the lines. They exposed the cozy relationship between apple and china and they paid the price. Simple... I find it nauseating however, how apple quickly bends over to accommodate China's requests but willfully drags their heels when dealing with our govt. I'm curious where apple will draw the line when it comes to China's requests. When they ask for a backdoor?

I'm not sure what you find nauseating. In the US, Apple has legal rights, in China it does not. In the US, opposing the government when it goes against your values is patriotic in China it can be a death sentence. Challenging the government in the US is legal, challenging it in China could potentially kill all its manufacturing.

what I find nauseating is all the US companies that in the midst of the healthiest economic boom moved all their manufacturing to China to begin with in the hopes of selling to a large market essentially killing the US economy. 

Labor may be cheaper, but you've essentially given up all your trade secrets because the Chinese government doesn't protect foreign investment. Insiders rip off Apple, beat Apple to the market with a cheap knock off product, and then sue Apple for knocking off their knock off products. Crazy. Further, unlike in the US, the Chinese heavily favors local companies and makes it very difficult for companies like Apple to compete.

Further, many of the Chinese manufacturers who manufacture US products manufacture cheaper knock offs or outright counterfeits essentially using their insider status to effectively compete with their US customers.

Back in the US, Amazon knowingly sells Chinese counterfeit products further displacing US companies. 

Meanwhile, the Chinese benefit and the US economy suffers so much so that so many people were desperate enough to find it necessary to vote for somebody like Donald Trump for President. 

I find that nauseating. 

sog35 said:

This is pretty dumb.

This is like buying a car. Then your car has a recall 2 years latter. And you demand a brand new car.

Not really. If you bring in your car for recall, you get your car back just fixed. Nonetheless this is dumb. The law doesn't prevent Apple from fixing a customers phone. The warranty clearly states what you might get. By not allowing Apple to give refurbished phones hurts consumers. First, Apple gives refurbished phones because instead of repairing your phone, which Apple could do, it is faster to give you a refurbished phone. Who wants to wait a week while Apple fixes your phone. Second, it just makes phones cost more. Third, I'd rather have a refurbished phone back then my old one fixed. Refurbished phones are throughly tested to met the standard of like new.

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slurpy said:

Do you have to spout your misguided political trash in EVERY thread? Nobody cares what you think of liberals. What a tiresome troll, just like sog. You two should ride off into the sunset. 

I'm no troll, and even though I don't agree with SOG on some issues, I wouldn't say that he is either.

We are voices of dissent and we sometimes offer a contrarian viewpoint on certain issues.

Apple is all about diversity, is it not?

Does that not apply to a diversity of opinions also, or would you prefer to live in a dictatorship, where people like SOG and myself would be thrown in a cold jail cell, for refusing to follow the groupthink, liberal herd mentality, where only accepted opinions are allowed? You don't have to answer that last question.

Labeling something as  liberal is intellicually lazy. It's akin to name calling. Further, the whole techinique is designed just to descredit somebody without having to even listen to a person. Much like calling somebody a racist or rapist. It's like McCarthyism. 


Perhaps you are so intellucutually inferior that you have to resort to labels because you can't express ideas without doing so?


Moreover, nowadays  it seems the so called conservatives would be more apt to call people names like Nazis. 
 

rogifan_new said:

sog35 said:

Lets say you are selling raisin cookies.

You can produce 1000 cookies a day with the ovens you own.

Then one day you get a HUGE order to make 10,000 cookies. What would you do?

Would you buy 10x more ovens to produce those 10,000 cookies in one day to please the customer? HELL NO.

You would take 10 days to bake the cookies and then give it to the customer. 

Apple is in the same situation.
There is MASSIVE initial demand for the Jet Black phone. I could guess it could be at 20-30 million orders. 
Does Apple have enough 'ovens' to produce 30 million Jet Black phones in a month? HELL NO.
And no way in hell are they going to double or triple their 'ovens' to make sure they can meet demand in the next few weeks. Because this heavy demand of 30 million Jet Black phones needed in 2 weeks is only temporary.

Apple does not have a production problem
they have a too much demand 'problem' 

If demand is this high why did Apple decide not to disclose? Are they worried if someone is given a November ship date they might cancel their order?

Easy because the numbers don't reflect anything useful and are only used to manipulate the stock.

It can be assumed Apple sold every phone it made, and that is all Apple reported in the past. Apple didn't report orders that didn't ship to a customer even if the customer ordered the phone because Apple only records a sale when the phone ships.  

I preordered on TMobile. My phone isn't shipping until November. Apple in the past wouldn't have counted my order as a sale until it bills me when the phone ships.

So Apple wisely changed its policy knowing the figures only showed what Apple was capable of shipping, not the demand.

For instance if Apple produced less phones leading up to release than in the past, and sold every one releasing the number would likely be used to suggest demand was low when maybe the issue was only Apple couldn't produce as many leading up to launch as in the past and demand is actually higher.

thewhitefalcon said:

The bad: You have to go with T-Mobile or Sprint for service.

Bad for you perhaps, great for me.