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mjtomlin said:

yojimbo007 said:

Yes... And there is no good reason to limit this functionality for those who feel comfortable that way...
but apple wants to have its stubborn way i guess... Sigh... 

Give me a break. There's a lot more functionality the Pencil can offer rather than as a replacement for your finger. It's a different tool and can have many different abilities.

And I'm not sure how you write, but it takes very, very little effort to switch back and forth from pencil to using my middle finger.

If you want a stylus for navigation, you can buy them for as little as $10.

I just fixed the problem all together by benching the Pencil and buying a Jot Touch, I'm not an artist anyway, so any advantages the Pencil had weren't really needed. The Jot has palm rejection and pressure sensitivity, writes and scribbles flawlessly, to the point where I couldn't tell the difference, the best thing is I can use it throughout iOS. Which is something I absolutely wanted, regardless of all that B.S. about how the iPad is a touch device and the stylus is obsolete but the Pencil is the future crap.  I think the user should decide on how they want to use their own equipment period, limiting the functionality of the Pencil, especially when the decisions is based off of some nonsensical corporate vision that was made up in order to save a little face because of what was said years earlier in regards to the stylus in general, just isn't right.

mubaili said:

1. stock price is not the reason I buy Apple product; 2. I like Apple being a underdog; 3. Wall Street, well, is crazy/irrational 

Underdog, Apple is one of the most valuable companies in the world, as well as largest. They can buy and sell almost every company on the planet, underdog, yea.

chrise said:

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Originally Posted by sog35 
 

 

The Surface Pro 4 sytlus is a POS.  Its a $10 device.

 

The Apple Pencil is the same level as $200-$300 professional level tools.

 

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Originally Posted by FreeRange 


And here we have a newbie who doesn't know what they are talking about. You need to go study-up to understand your fail on this one. Re-read the article. Full blown Windows is actually a hinderance to the Surface, and understand what you CAN do on an iPad - the full Office suite is available, which is 99% of what users do on a PC. And it does so much more, and better.

 

Actually I am an IT Director with about 20 years of IT experience and have owned every iPhone since the 3G and 3 versions of the iPad. I have an iPad Pro on order. I have used the Surface 3 (not 4.) My daily machine is a 15in Macbook Pro (new one with Force Touch.)

MS Office for iPad is a mobile version of the suite and is lacking many of the features found in the actual full version. Those who depend of MS Office for their work tasks do so becasue there not just writing a document but because of the customizations Visual Basic provide. Walk into any accounting office and use one of their spreadsheets, it's so modified with macros and Visual Basic scripts that it's an application in itself, Excel is almost like the OS that runs it. Running such things on the mobile versions of Office just isn't possible, try creating a mass mailer in which all of the contacts are located in a database. Using a Word template as data entry mask in which the data entered is also stored into a database. How about automation, the firm I used to work for used to receive hundreds of emails a day with reports attached, the full version of Office allows the user to create scripts that automatically strip the data from these reports, insert into a Excel sheet, run a Visual Basic calculation script, than email the end days results. Who uses that, try every financial firm that exists. So yes, maybe Office is 99% of what people use on a work computer but half of them require much more than was is possible with a mobile app that was primarily designed for viewing, light editing and basic document creation. Also, using a large Excel sheet without a mouse frankly sucks, especially if you're copying data from one source to another. It actually amazes me that people just assume others use a computer in the same way they do.

waterrockets said:

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Originally Posted by sog35 
 

I don't see why anyone would choose to buy a Surface.  Makes absolutely zero sense.  Its such a horrible touch device because:

 

1. There are virtually zero touch based Apps on it.

2. The OS is mainly built for mouse/keyboard use.

3. The touch sensor and OS is too small for accurate multi-touch, thus the need for stylus.

 

If you want a touch interface buy a device that has a touch OS.

If you want to run windows Apps get a laptop or Macbook.

If you want a light device get an ultra book.

 

I know several people who swear by them for business. They need to be able to demonstrate software at the drop of a hat, and it's really the best option for a tablet with that capability. In this case, they were demonstrating touch software. This is a pretty isolated case, but it's great for those folks.

Yeah see, this is definitely a comment made by someone who has never used one before. I think the Surface Pro is a fantastic device and have had zero problems navigating the UI with my fingers, not a one. I don't even use the Surface keyboard, as when I'm on the road I type nearly as with virtual keyboard and when it's home, I have a Bluetooth MS Wedge keyboard and mouse. When I just want to relax and use it as a tablet, I just boot into Remix OS, a Android based OS in which I have all of my favorite tablet apps running. Same exact apps that I'm running on my iPad Pro except for the music creation stuff. You can do things like that when your using a computer without restrictions.  I've never had any of the problems that most of you claim the Surface Pro 4 has, this is my second one and I plan on buying the next one to. I just sold my MacBook 12 and bought the new Razor Stealth, even though it has a touchscreen, it will most likely be the last none 2 in 1 laptop I ever buy. I got it because it has a ThunderBolt connected, GPU break out box for desktop graphic card in which I wanted for CUDA programming. However the next iteration of the Surface should have a USB C so I can use a simliliar box with that as well. 

atlapple said:

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Originally Posted by sog35 

 

There is no trackpad support and lets not pretend that was Apple trying to make some cutting edge move, force touch came before 3D touch and Apple is making force touch trackpads for the iMac. Clearly Apple isn't trying to get rid of the trackpad, iOS can't support a trackpad, thats the reason why there isn't on on the keyboard, the OS is the limiting factor. 

Actually, iOS works very well with a mouse, I use one with one my iPad Air's. It has to be JailBroken of course but it's just a matter of installing a free driver, that's it. I honestly don't like using my iPad Pro with one, I even have two keyboards for it, the Apple and the Logitech. I bought the Logitech first because it was backlit, had an extra row for function keys and it just felt better to type one, I never cared for keyboards with fabric covering. However I got tired of continuasly having to touch the display while editing code, the Apple Keyboard has the touch cursor feature so I bought that as well. The problem was, I was still constantly touching the display to select menu items, switch apps, etc. The ironic part about this dilemma is, Tim Cook agrees with me as he stated that notebooks with touchscreen's are a failed concept partially do to what I just described, ergonomics are just all wrong. He's right to, having to constantly reach over and up get's tiring real quick. So I found by typing on the display itself made navigating the UI just so much better, not ideal mind you as I still would prefer having a keyboard and mouse but a lot better with just having a keyboard without the mouse. I'm impatiently waiting for JailBreak.

I don't even use the Pencil anymore because I can't navigate the system with it or use it in non-stylus optimized apps. I use a Jot stylus instead, which I really like, I'm not an artist, just wanted a stylus for the system and note taking. So the two defining aspects of the iPad Pro turned out to be more work to use than without. I really don't get the iPad Pro right now, over half of my apps don't support it's resolution, only a few of my apps support dual app view with only a total of around 120 that do and iOS isn't really optimized for it or I should say is missing many of the features that would make into an actual Pro system. I can't even do what I bought it for which was to run two music creation apps at once, not even GarageBand is supported in dual app view. Just a confusing device.