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foggyhill said:

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Originally Posted by bkkcanuck 
 

There are more workers that work in environments not behind a desk 8 hours a day than there are in-front of a desk 8 hours a day.  A lot of jobs that could easily use a computer that is easily used while holding in your hands.  The whole world does not revolve around rows of rows of people at desks doing data entry - and if it did .... the economy would be highly inefficient. 

 

Yes, these days, reading, analysing, slightly modifying, deciding, forwarding, iterating, data is much more prevalent than the old one person does the whole thing PC world.

 

In this new agile engineering like world (which is now the lot of all business), big end point producers are less and less prevalent. Working cumulatively and iteratively on producing something is well tuned to mobile/tablets as a main UI.

Behind a desk job, no, however a job in which requires you to be on your feet and mobile, absolutely. Use the right tool for the job, no one want's to use just a touchscreen the entire day to edit documents, input data, etc. they just don't. No matter how glamorous of a vision you picture. Just using my iPad Pro with it's keyboard for 30 minutes was enough for me to want a mouse, I finially switched over to my MacBook 12. It was just more comfortable, not to mention a lot faster. 

ericthehalfbee said:

People are missing one key point.

 

iOS dominates mobile use in the enterprise. The iPad has about 80% of the enterprise market, the iPhone around 65%.

 

Where do people come up with the stupid idea that the iPad Pro can't be used for real work (or used in a corporate environment)? With the iPad already the dominant tablet in the enterprise world, do you not think a larger, much more powerful iPad Pro will also find use in enterprise? Or that it will actually expand their usage by being able to be used for even MORE tasks than the current iPad?

There being used as simple input and data retrieval devices and other vertical market tasks, not as actual replacements for computers. IOS is simply missing way to many features for that to happen anytime soon. I mean the first time a sales rep trys to find every file on his iPad that contains a specific customers name within the files themselves you would see the thing fly out the window. The firm would have to spend thousands on just buying essential apps to fill in all of those missing feature holes, what do you mean I can't zip a file without contacting the IT department and requesting a third party zip app to be installed onto my device. How about NAS support, name a single app that can save directly to one, you know how annoying it would be to constantly have to Share a file to an App that does support it and than once it's in that app you have to delete the original, than upload that file to the NAS and than delete that copy. Yea, think about that for a second, you would have to create three versions of the same file to do a simple backup and you think you can use an iPad for real work. However all of that was moot because how would you even access your user directory on the firms NAS drive without LDAP support. Multi-user support? How do you change the default apps in iOS so you can set your firms proprietary mail client as the default. How would you display your firms custom apps in the dual app view when 98% of the apps in the App Store don't even support it yet. Could you work without a mouse, how about connecting a monitor, I have yet to seen have a monitor support the iPads desktop resolution without black bars not mentio a DPI so huge everything looks comical. Oh but you have MS Office you say, I have yet to have seen a large firm that don't use highly customized Excel spreadsheets with embedded macros , Visual Basic scripts in them and connections to MySQL/Oracle databases, which makes your mobile version pretty much useless. The list just goes on and on, you're not thinking. Your happy reading your websites, watching your movies, using FaceBook, etc. and think you can do it all but once you start working in a enterprise environment though, it's a complete new ball game. One day with an iPad Pro and you would quit but yet I keep seeing comments about there being a CAD program for iOS now, super but no engineer or architect would ever use an iPad Pro to design a toilet, let anyone an entire house or new subway station. It's meant as a presentation tool and hobbiest alike. 

bkkcanuck said:

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Originally Posted by tmay 
 

You brought up a 2D CAD application on Surface; my retort was a full MCAD solution available for iOS including iPhone, iPad and iPad Pro.

 

MS made a conscious decision to stick with Intel, and I believe that will impair their mobile effort. You seem to be happy with your "not doing bad" devices, but my opinion is that the market is moving faster than Windows will adapt. Sure, applications from major software vendors are being updated for Surface, but these same companies are also creating new products not only for iOS, but specifically for the iPad Pro.

 

I do agree that the market will decide. 

The problem with the Microsoft ecosystem is that touch centric application for tablet environment will not likely develop very rapidly as a majority of vendors will target the largest of that platforms market - which is laptop/desktop oriented and any touch type stuff will be a generally poorly designed add-on.  

If you honestly believe that a professional CAD user would use an iPad Pro for anything but showing off a design or a quick edit, is frankly delusional . The iPad Pro is fine for content consumption but once you start getting into actually creating that content, other than artists, it's just the wrong platform to use. The number of compromises the user has to make using a mobile OS, especially iOS for professional content creation are simply to many to be considered a viable platform. I did try using my iPad Pro for simply productivity tasks and found the entire experience lacking, to the point where it just didn't make any sense to continue even trying. Even simple tasks like running a terminal in the background while it compiled an application located on a remote terminal wasn't possible. The iPad Pro has a lot of good uses but being used as a professional CAD system definitely isn't one of them. 

Also, the Surface Pro 4 can be used with AutoDesk, very comfortably actually, it's not for large projects but it can be used, just do a Google search on the matter, there are a few reviews on the subject and their all favorable. It's fine that you do not like the Surface Pro but you don't need to embellish it's faults. 80% of everything said about it here is completely false. It's a fantastic little computer that is extremely capable, it might not be for everyone but it is in no way useless.  

As of right now, not very much. I bought it to replace two of my iPad Air 2's, the idea was I would be able to run two music creation apps at once. As it turned out though it isn't possible as of yet, not even GargageBand supports dual app view. In fact there aren't really all that many apps that do support it, only about 120 the last time I checked. Also, over half of the apps that I've installed, including most of my music creation apps, do not support the iPad Pro's resolution yet, they look as if they were just zoomed into to make them fit the display, thus offering little to no advantage in using them on the iPad Pro.  These unsupported apps are also using a different keyboard than the default. One that frankly doesn't look very nice and is missing a lot of the keys. The whole experience just feels so inconsistent and unfinished,  I'm sure this will improve over time but I'm not going to hold my breathe waiting in anticipation.

I also tried to use the iPad Pro as a laptop replacement or I should say a productivity device. However O quickly lost interest in trying as It was just too frustrating to use it in that manner, especially when I have other devices better suited for this. At first I really didn't agree with Tim Cooks assessment about laptops with touchscreen's being a failed concept, partially do to ergonomics as the user has to constantly reach over the keyboard to navigate the UI. However, ironically after using the iPad Pro, I now agree with him. When used in conjunction with the keybard there are just no buts about it, I want/need mouse support. Yes, I know the iPad is meant as a touch only device but that strict paradigm went out the window once Apple released the Pro with keyboard and stylus. Especially when the iPad Pro is constantly being compared to the Surface Pro 4 and is supposedly able to replace a MacBook for a lot of tasks.

Another issue, when I wanted to use the iPad Pro as a development machine by using an online IDE and a terminal app, every time I started a compile job and than put the terminal app in the background, iOS would terminate it's connection after only 3 minutes. IOS is still the same, over 98% of the apps in the App Store still cannot run in the background. Now with 4GB of memory I would have assumed Apple had fixed this, apparently not. They just need to add a user controlled switch to turn this feature on and off for when we're out and about and need the extra battery.

Then there is still the problem with document management, which frankly still sucks. Apps should not manage their own files and should be stored in a central location, with a common UI in which all apps have to use for accesing them. iCloud should not be the solution for this as dealing with local files is extremely important for a lot of us, why even offer 128GB of space locally than, just give us all 100GB of iCloud storage instead.

Another problem I have is with charging the unit, while being used the iPad Pro just doesn't want to charge. Not unless I shutdown every single opened app except one, than it will start to trickle charge. I think the supplied charger is way to small for the unit. 

The Pencil, it's a wonderful stylus however since the iPad Pro is such a finger magnet I really wanted a stylus that I could use everywhere and not just supported apps, so I never really use the Pencil all that much. Instead I use either my Jot Touch or Adobe Ink, both are Bluetooth stylus's with palm rejection and pressure sensitivity. Their both really good stylus's, especially the Jot and I honestly can not see the difference between them. I don't really draw all that much, mostly notes, photo editing and the Jot/Ink  can be used through out the system and apps. I might break out the Pencil if I do draw or color with my children but really guys, besides the shading feature where you can use the side tip of the Pencil, the other stylus's, again, especially the Jot are pretty darn close or at least I can't tell the difference, nor could anyone else that I've let try.