9secondkox2

chelin said:

rob53 said:

Apple owns its products not the EU. The EU has no right to dictate to Apple how its products operate. As I’ve said before, the EU has every right to build their own platforms but it’s obvious they don’t have the ability or talent to design and manufacture anything people, including those in EU countries, want. It’s time to boycott everything made in the EU but I’m not so sure there’s actually anything they make I really want. 

Tell that to car or appliance makers.. all industries are regulated wherever they are 

danox said:

9secondkox2 said:

Not only is it a privacy risk, it’s STEALING - illegal in snd of itself. Apple paid its own money, blood, sweat, and tears building its tech. And the EU wants to steal it and give it to everyone else? What the heck? Pure evil. They really aren’t even hiding it anymore. 

If all else fails, leave the EU. That’s just wrong. There is no way to defend that. 

In the end, the EU will come up with Apple sharing, making Apple Silicon/Mac OS work with Linux natively out of the box or anything else that comes up that originates from the EU countries in name of competition.

EU has a somewhat similar problem with China like the USA. It is a decade or two process to build the necessary infrastructure supply lines, however they like the USA are looking for easy shortcuts and there are no shortcuts. The time needed is a decade or two and you can’t get there by attacking some of the best schools and states in the land on the USA side.

longfang said:

charlesn said:

blastdoor said:

I have now fully come around to agreeing that It’s time for Tim Cook to go. 

A lot of great things happened under his leadership, especially apple silicon in Macs, but the Apple car debacle and now the AI debacle are convincing me that Apple needs a “product guy” leading the firm again. 

Please explain what you see as a "debacle" for the R&D that Apple put into a possible car. There was never any assurance that a car would result from this effort--the whole point of doing research and development is to determine if manufacturing a competitive and superior product is possible and financially viable. And for Apple, never having been in the car manufacturing business, the challenge was even more difficult, especially considering that Apple's business model is based on very high profit margins, while autos are a fraction of that. At the end of the day, Apple decided there was no financially viable path forward and shut down the project. Look around at the EV business and you'll understand why this was the smartest decision: Fiskar is already out of business, Rivian and Polestar continue hemorrhaging money like it's water, and every company not named Tesla that produces EVs is losing a massive amount of money on every EV they sell. Ford has been manufacturing cars for 123 years, yet Car & Driver reported that in the Q1 2024, it was losing $130,000 on every EV that it sold. And now, with the EV business already a black hole money pit for car makers, Trump is ending the incentives that helped to bolster EV sales, so things are about to get even worse.

The inescapable truth from all available evidence is that Apple avoided a money-losing debacle by shutting down Project Titan. The only argument one might make--and there's no way to know the truth of it--is that they should have shut it down sooner than they did. We also don't know what R&D for Project Titan might be useful for breakthroughs on other projects, so it's not as if the whole thing was pointless. 

If by every car manufacturer you mean every American car manufacturer then sure. They do exist outside the US too.