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avon b7 said:

9secondkox2 said:

avon b7 said:

danox said:

avon b7 said:

jfabula1 said:

Read the story on how huawei got into cellular business. Not from the scratch for sure

Your point makes no sense. Apple bought its way in through a million dollar purchase. 

The real issue is what I outlined in my post. Apple will never reach the top players until it finds a seat on the standards committees which shape the future. 

Did that thinking apply to project replace Intel? Apple will never replace them but they did? it took 13 years to replace Intel in Apple products, project modem started five years ago. They still have plenty of time to make it happen and with Apples history in the last 25 years, they will make it happen, and once they do, they can put their foot on the gas pedal which is happening currently with their A, M and R1 series SOC’s every year they get better, however for some of the short term thinkers not fast enough?, but Apple’s iteration keeps moving forward.

I don’t remember your posts, but did you whine all the way through the Apple, Intel replacement process it can’t be done it will never be done impossible, Apple should just give up?

Apple might be faced with another replacement project, and that relates to Unity who struck out, after getting a little limelight on the big stage with their game engine, there are those who suggest Apple should just stay home and not do anything despite the fact that Unity appears to have lost their head, when they came up with terms for their developers that were far beyond anything, Apple has ever done, question is, should Apple trust put their future in AAA games into the hands of companies like Unity, or Epic? or roll up their sleeves and get busy internally.

You are distorting reality here. If PowerPC had delivered, Intel wouldn't have got a look in. If Intel had delivered, Apple Silicon might never have existed on Macs. 

It all boils down to need. Apple needed Intel at the time. Bootcamp was a boon back then.

One thing to remember is that even when OSX was released on PowerPC, it wasn't long before Intel compiles started being built in secret (Marklar).

Everything is context and perspective dependant. That applies here too. If Intel had delivered a decent 5G modem we wouldn't be having this conversation. 

It still remains a strategic goof though and of epic proportions. 

Again you’re talking about partners. Not apple itself. PowerPC was an I’ve/Motorola partnership. Intel was another third party partnership. IBM didn’t care enough about apple to step on the throttle. Intel didn’t care enough about apple to change the status quo. Qualcomm cares so little for everyone, they abuse their monopoly. 

The impossible things apple does:

1. comes back from the dead
2. Turns the music industry right side up with not only an answer to rampant piracy, but a pioneering revolution of the business. 

3. Obliterates Sony in the portable music player space with iPod. 

4. Obliterates everyone with a space age futuristic iphone that changes the way smartphones are designed, I/o is done, and what expectations of a mobile internet are. 

5. Takes over the tablet industry entirely. 
6. Launches an Apple Watch to dominate that industry. 

7.  Supersedes the CPU industry with its Appple Silicon. 

Not to mention that Apple invented:

a. THE MOUSE
b. FireWire
c. Thunderbolt -in collaboration with Intel. 

d. The QuickTime standard. 

e. The ProRes video codec. 

And more. Apple has been a responsible party in shaping our digital world either itself or in collaboration with others. So there is more than plenty ofreason to believe that Apple not only will Apple succeed at adding a modem category to its lineup, but that it will be ready for the future. 

Still to come:
1. Apple car…
2. vision pro…
3. Cellular modem. Likely 5.5 or 6g (skate to where the puck is going to be. Not where it has been…)…

not everything apple does succeeds. Obviously, the Apple TV is still “a hobby.” And Apple TV plus could use an injection of enthusiasm. iCloud plus could hold more value, the g4 cube tanked (but the studio seems to be doing just fine…) 

it’s a new Apple. Though it’s still finding it’s way again in terms of moving design forward, it’s definitely an engineering powerhouse at the top of the heap with the work ethic, the financial solvency, the drive, and talent to succeed. 

A high performance cellular modem isn’t insurmountable even for a smaller company. The only real challenge is designing the system in such a way as to not intrude on all the patents Qualcomm has. That’s a major undertaking. Though daunting, it’s possible. It just takes time to get it right. Apple has to pioneer methods here. Rome wasn’t built in a day but it faded away due to arrogance. Meanwhile Apple’s modem won’t be a quick matter, but it will be great when complete. And apple is wise to remain cagey as they are acutely aware how easy it is to see a successful company die surrounded by cutthroat competitors. I’d say Apple is doing fine in the modem arena. They just aren’t there yet. Of course they aren’t. Two to Three more years of Qualcomm modems may actually mean apple is closer than that in launching their own modems as well. 

ALSO

Let’s not forget that once apple launches its own modem, they still need to be able to fulfill orders for older handsets still on sale that require…qualcomm modems. With that in mind, this seems like the logical way to go. Apple could quite possibly be closer to launch than “another two to three years contract with qualcomm” would suggest. 

Too much to unpick there but... 

PowerPC was an 'alliance' (AIM) Apple, IBM, Motorola). There were lots of issues but one of them was ironic. Apple was pushing for power but the biggest market for PPC was low power embedded chips. Motorola was behind that. At the 'power' end IBM had, well, POWER. Apple was in between but not really selling enough to warrant the resources. What came out was good for a time and actually less power intensive than rivals in the PC space but then things fell apart with chips getting too hot and newrt chips getting delayed. The rest is history. 

If Apple came back from the dead it was more luck than anything else. The iMac was certainly key but there is no getting around the fact that it could have failed just as easily as it succeeded. On the software side, the deal with the devil (Microsoft) was also key. 

The MOUSE. Apple didn't invent the mouse. However, it did develop possibly one of the worst examples of a modern mouse: The hockey puck! And they stubbornly stuck with it and it's single button for too long. 

The music industry. They got it wrong. The industry moved to streaming which is exactly what Apple thought was not a great idea. "People want to own their music" -  Steve Jobs 2007. They were very late to the streaming party and had to make the service available outside the walled garden. 

Firewire. Amazing product for its time. So much potential. In the end they screwed it all up through stubbornly trying to monetise it too much. So many projects were lined up but failed due to Apple's arrogance. HANA, LISSA... Such a shame. 

And while they were screwing that up they stubbornly refused to use USB 2.0.

Thunderbolt. As you say, a collaborative effort. Not only Apple. 

Video. You would be a fool to put all your video eggs in Apple’s basket.

I'm not sure how you managed to link that point to succeeding in getting a modem out the door, but getting a modem out the door isn't really the question. It's whether it will be competitive. As I said though, if it is for verticality I can see why they might want to do that.

I'd say a competitive 5G modem from a smaller company definitely is insurmountable. 

Apple cannot avoid paying Qualcomm and Huawei patent fees for 5G. I can't see any way to avoid jumping through that hoop.