9secondkox2

Wesley Hilliard said:

The US government investigation US companies for monopolizing their markets is complicated. It isn't that anyone is saying a company can't be successful, it's a question of how they got so big without any competition.

Facebook buying out its potential future competitors is a problem. Google saturating the online ad market and stopping anyone else from competing is a problem. Apple creating issues with being compatible with third-party devices could be seen as a problem.

So the courts want to investigate these issues and figure out if the companies need to be compelled to change or divest from certain markets.

It'll be interesting to see how all of these cases work out.

And there was no reason to make this thread about Trump's battle with the legal system. Thanks.

mattinoz said:

9secondkox2 said:

Wesley Hilliard said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

twolf2919 said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

Agree - I can't imagine Apple doubling-down on a design they know didn't get enough sales.  They need to face reality: there simply isn't much of a mass market for a device costing multiple thousands of dollars that can only really be used in private, since it's too cumbersome to use on the go - and you look like a  complete tool if you do.

To this day I have no idea why Tim Cook let himself by led into this technological dead end called the Vision Pro.  i remember him clearly stating that Apple's next big thing would be AR glasses.  Somehow he got convinced by someone that these devices must be standalone products rather than an iPhone dependent one like Apple Watch and AirPods.  Unfortunately, that decision meant the future devices needed to cram a lot of CPU power and battery capacity into what needed to be a very light, small device - glasses!  The AVP VR headset became their first stab at it.  But it seems obvious that they will never be able to shrink that down to glasses anyone is willing to wear.

Google produced useful AR glasses TWELVE years ago.  If Apple hadn't gone down the wrong path, I'm sure they could have developed a sleek, much better product given all the miniaturization that's taken place win a decade.

Both of your assumptions are based on the idea that Apple sees Apple Vision Pro as some kind of failure. Only Apple knows what its goals for the device were and if it met them or have been satisfied. Your personal opinions are not part of Apple's calculus here.

Tim Cook shouting its praises well ahead of launch and pushing it as the next big thing only to be met with a teoid response. Cook was reduced to calling it an early adopter product, etc. 

apple most definitely views it the way everyone else does - a flop. Of course apple won’t publicly state that. They still have to sell the thing snd don’t want to be viewed as having made another mistake. 

I know you are personally a customer and a fan. But for most everyone else, it’s…a headset. And headsets just aren’t it. Never have been and aren’t now. Any further investment in headsets is foolish. When it’s a pair of glasses/sunglasses, that would be big. And if apple doesn’t want to innovate to that degree, they can arill do a headset, but tether it to a Mac or iPhone/ipad while reducing features in order to make the niche device priced accordingly. A 499 device would probably find its way in most apple customers’s lives. Continuing along the lines of the current VP will see it continue its downward trajectory. 

Many of us called it back when it was just a rumor. Headsets just aren’t going anywhere meaningful and crazy expensive headsets doubly so. 

A cheap headset would fare better. But glasses /shades would be the ultimate form of the Vision Pro concept. If done right, they could fit in anyone’s lifestyle and would likely be widely adopted. 

Can you point to a quote of Tim Cook suggesting it was a mass market product because the launch key note and a couple of things I’ve found are very clear they are calling it the start of journey like the Mac and the iPhone were the start of journeys?

so later when is quoted saying "Right now, it's an early-adopter product. People who want to have tomorrow's technology today—that's who it's for. Fortunately, there's enough people who are in that camp that it's exciting."

that seems very much a supportive clarification of what was said at launch than admitting defeat like many doomsayers want to bill it as. 

Wesley Hilliard said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

twolf2919 said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

Agree - I can't imagine Apple doubling-down on a design they know didn't get enough sales.  They need to face reality: there simply isn't much of a mass market for a device costing multiple thousands of dollars that can only really be used in private, since it's too cumbersome to use on the go - and you look like a  complete tool if you do.

To this day I have no idea why Tim Cook let himself by led into this technological dead end called the Vision Pro.  i remember him clearly stating that Apple's next big thing would be AR glasses.  Somehow he got convinced by someone that these devices must be standalone products rather than an iPhone dependent one like Apple Watch and AirPods.  Unfortunately, that decision meant the future devices needed to cram a lot of CPU power and battery capacity into what needed to be a very light, small device - glasses!  The AVP VR headset became their first stab at it.  But it seems obvious that they will never be able to shrink that down to glasses anyone is willing to wear.

Google produced useful AR glasses TWELVE years ago.  If Apple hadn't gone down the wrong path, I'm sure they could have developed a sleek, much better product given all the miniaturization that's taken place win a decade.

Both of your assumptions are based on the idea that Apple sees Apple Vision Pro as some kind of failure. Only Apple knows what its goals for the device were and if it met them or have been satisfied. Your personal opinions are not part of Apple's calculus here.