9secondkox2

Xed said:

9secondkox2 said:

As I’ve been saying since before this whole thing happened. 

No, you said that the world has been ripping the US off and that Apple needs to bring manufacturing back to the US. Trump giving in yet again with this exemption doesn't hurt China and doesn't bring "jobs" back to the US. But nice try.

Wrong. I said all of the above - including that Apple would sail through due to exemptions. Mike W. even commented directly telling me "it's not going to go the way I think it will go" in response to one of my posts on the matter. I also added late that The USA has indeed been getting ripped in world trade forever now and that it's about time someone stands up to global bullies. Manufacturing does belong back in the USA - but also elsewhere. America doesn't need to abdicate all manufacturing. Much healthier to be both a product AND services economy. The fact is Trump is very easy to read and to predict when you realize that he has America's best interests at heart ad takes action accordingly. It is no surprise that he initiated reciprocal tariffs or that he paused them when the word wanted to make a deal. It's also not shocking at all that he kept up the tariffs on China, but did so in a way that doesn't hurt American companies (though it also weakens the tariff impact on China) - who he is doing this on behalf of. It's the art of the deal in action - set an extreme goal, get them scrambling, then when the entrenched positions are broken, maneuver the chess pieces, keep them guessing, and settle on the realistic area you wanted all along.I know it's popular on this site to hate on the man, but it doesn't make much sense. 

As I have been saying all along, Apple is going to be OK. They have someone standing up for them on the global stage. I have a sneaking suspicion that more is to come with the EU as well. 

As I’ve been saying since before this whole thing happened. 

jfabula1 said:

We been the dumping ground of Made in China, and who’s to be blame??? American consumers and the greedy corporations are just reacting. We get what we planted so get over it. We can’t continue this way or we don’t have America to be called our country. 

Apple is no exception, I my self will have to tighten my belt if it has to come that way…..so far I don’t see any Apple price increases,
all I’ve heard are fear mongering.

Facts. 

gwydion said:

libertyandfree said:

avon b7 said:

libertyandfree said:

DAalseth said:

The US needs stuff from China more than China needs ANYTHING from the US.
I expect there may be exemptions for Amazon, Apple and Walmart. But the hundreds of thousands of small stores, local stores, regional stores, that are the heart of the economy will be massacred. 

As someone pointed out yesterday, this whole scrap is above all making China look like the reliable, stable, rational, trustworthy partner. That is going to be the most harmful thing coming out of this for the US.

China needs money from the US to run their economy.  The US is by far their biggest customer whereas we are mostly consumers of their products - many of them not essential for daily life.  Yes, some small businesses rely on their cheap Chinese products but they will have to adapt in the short term - you don’t fold because some segments get hurt.  If the US stops buying the Chinese goods then China must sell them elsewhere, or shutter factories, which floods the market and crashes their prices.  Forgotten in all this is the massive theft by China on IP which was being reversed by the first Trump administration and then was unexplainable dropped by the Biden administration.  This needs to be corrected as well and this requires the Chinese govt to enforce.  

What happened with agriculture in his last term? China quickly pivoted away to Brazil. Lobsters from Maine? China went to Canada.

China is in a situation - provoked by the US - where mutual trade is severely impacted. 

They won't go crawling to Trump and they've made that very clear. 

They will continue to get rid of US debt but with a common sense approach. They will tighten restrictions on critical minerals/rare earths. They could even switch away from Boeing to Airbus as a symbolic move. They will strengthen BRICS+ deals as well as tempt the EU. 

At the end of the day it is Trump who started everything and it is Trump who will have to fix it. 

He blinked first with the 90 day pause. Now he will have to blink again. 

 You obviously do not know how these negotiations work.  The so called blink has 90 countries negotiating and if that’s a blink then blink away.  The whole world knows China is the bully when it comes to trade and fairness, did you somehow miss this? 

Oh, you believe that 90 countries are negotiating, how adorable

gwydion said:

libertyandfree said:

avon b7 said:

libertyandfree said:

DAalseth said:

The US needs stuff from China more than China needs ANYTHING from the US.
I expect there may be exemptions for Amazon, Apple and Walmart. But the hundreds of thousands of small stores, local stores, regional stores, that are the heart of the economy will be massacred. 

As someone pointed out yesterday, this whole scrap is above all making China look like the reliable, stable, rational, trustworthy partner. That is going to be the most harmful thing coming out of this for the US.

China needs money from the US to run their economy.  The US is by far their biggest customer whereas we are mostly consumers of their products - many of them not essential for daily life.  Yes, some small businesses rely on their cheap Chinese products but they will have to adapt in the short term - you don’t fold because some segments get hurt.  If the US stops buying the Chinese goods then China must sell them elsewhere, or shutter factories, which floods the market and crashes their prices.  Forgotten in all this is the massive theft by China on IP which was being reversed by the first Trump administration and then was unexplainable dropped by the Biden administration.  This needs to be corrected as well and this requires the Chinese govt to enforce.  

What happened with agriculture in his last term? China quickly pivoted away to Brazil. Lobsters from Maine? China went to Canada.

China is in a situation - provoked by the US - where mutual trade is severely impacted. 

They won't go crawling to Trump and they've made that very clear. 

They will continue to get rid of US debt but with a common sense approach. They will tighten restrictions on critical minerals/rare earths. They could even switch away from Boeing to Airbus as a symbolic move. They will strengthen BRICS+ deals as well as tempt the EU. 

At the end of the day it is Trump who started everything and it is Trump who will have to fix it. 

He blinked first with the 90 day pause. Now he will have to blink again. 

 You obviously do not know how these negotiations work.  The so called blink has 90 countries negotiating and if that’s a blink then blink away.  The whole world knows China is the bully when it comes to trade and fairness, did you somehow miss this? 

Oh, you believe that 90 countries are negotiating, how adorable

I don’t know where you get “90” from.m his post.  But some have publicly stated so and some have made the trip to meet the president in person to cut a deal. You’ve got China, tje eu, and Canada adding even more tariffs onto their already present tariffs. These three have already been mentioned by the president as problems before the tariffs were implemented. So no surprise there. 

gwydion said:

9secondkox2 said:

Time to push China tariffs to 225%. 

China lives and breathes the US dollar. 

The US is addicted to Chinese imports. 

But America can just as easily wait out some production relocation or shift habits. 

China won’t be recovering thst money. 

Apple is already reallocating the weight of production. It will take a bit. But it will be done. It’s just too bad that there aren’t more truly free nations to move it to. 

The only way the USA wins this is to keep its foot in the gas and not give in to bullies. We’ve been pushed around and robbed long enough. As O’Leary said:enough is enough.” Time to get back. 

It is funny seeing how Trump and his supporters work towards USA's destruction

its sad seeing how detractors and their ilk will go so far as to defend unfair trade practices and dictatorships in order to pile on against ideas they don’t like.