9secondkox2

Stabitha_Christie said:

9secondkox2 said:

canukstorm said:

camber said:

From the excellent article: "Trump cited a "lack of respect" from China" Let me get this straight. The schoolyard bully got called out, and he says that is disrespectful? He should hope he never finds out what disrespectful really is!

bullies hate being bullied and when things don't go their way they blame others.

very true. China has been bullying the usa on trade and us companies by stealing their ip and even controlling their data. We called them out, They panicked and tried to double down with the tariffs and are now in a tough spot. There is a lot of nuance being revealed. We’ll see how it goes but at least American companies are being looked after, whether with pauses or exemptions. 

If my family rents a house from a landlord and that landlord charges them an extra amount bevause we aren’t from that neighborhood, and that same landlord goes to my car dealership to lease a new vehicle, I’m going to Jack up his price too. What’s fair is fair. Now if he wants to stop being a bully and stop the ridiculous additional fees, then I’ll do the same. Equity and parity is all I wanted to begin with. 

I don't think you know what the word bullying means. 

Also your example is a perfect metaphor for what is happening and it is also the thought process of a child. 

So you have a landlord charging too much, extraneous fees or whatever. Rather than simply go and have a discussion about it and try to negotiate your rent (people negotiate rent all the time) you instead have a tantrum and all that power that comes with working at a car dealership to gouge him on the price of a car or for service. So, your net result is that you still pay them too much in rent, your boss made money because you gouged the landlord and you done literally nothing to improve your situation. I mean, throwing a tantrums and having nothing to show for it perfectly describes Trump's tariff approach. 

Xed said:

9secondkox2 said:

canukstorm said:

camber said:

From the excellent article: "Trump cited a "lack of respect" from China" Let me get this straight. The schoolyard bully got called out, and he says that is disrespectful? He should hope he never finds out what disrespectful really is

bullies hate being bullied and when things don't go their way they blame others.

very true. China has been bullying the usa on trade and us companies by stealing their ip and even controlling their data. We called them out, They panicked and tried to double down with the tariffs and are now in a tough spot. There is a lot of nuance being revealed. We’ll see how it goes but at least American companies are being looked after, whether with pauses or exemptions. 

If my family rents a house from a landlord and that landlord charges them an extra amount bevause we aren’t from that neighborhood, and that same landlord goes to my car dealership to lease a new vehicle, I’m going to Jack up his price too. What’s fair is fair. Now if he wants to stop being a bully and stop the ridiculous additional fees, then I’ll do the same. Equity and parity is all I wanted to begin with. 

Why are you constantly playing the victim? I sincerely do hope that one day you can take an honest look at yourself and will have the humility and intelligence to make the necessary changes to be better than what you present on this forum.

michelb76 said:

9secondkox2 said:

And I’ll take Donald trump and Bessent any day over some dude on the internet named “stabitha.”

But seriously. There are so many ways to look at this. It definitely exposes predispositions. If you already hate Tru p, you’ll work to find the pessimistic angle. If you already like him, you’ll work to find the positive angle. And if you’re just a simple common sense guy, you’ll work to can appreciate what he’s trying to do while retaining the ability to see where it may go wrong - but also retain tje ability to see where it may go right. So far, for common sense folks, tje goal is admirable, results are mixed with the short time in action, and the pivot seems to preserve both the American tech company as well as the inherits of the action to begin with. The downside of all of it is of course the “short term pain” of stock volatility and posdible higher prices. But that was always a known quantity. Not some surprise. But the long term gain of fair trade is what the goal is. And it’s certainly at the very least worth the attempt. If it wasn’t trump, it would be someone else. The status quo is not sustainable without ceding our economy and leading status in the world. As one of the few truly free places in the world, this matters. We are all her for all things apple. They’re a great company. Another reason their great is that they stand for human rights, privacy, security, etc. on top of making the best stuff on earth. But take away the foundation of freedom upon which they operate and things go south. We see a microcosm in the EU and China. Hopefully, with the bold moves being made on the big stage, that’s as far as it goes. 

If Europe decides to bond together and increase production and trade amongst themselves, they no longer need the US for 90% of the stuff and will have a much larger market than they would ever have had with the US. In reality they need very little US products because most of those are low quality and don't adhere to European standards and regulations. (cars, food) They trade with the US because of allyship. That's going to go out the window fast now. Europe has a reliance on US tech companies, but work is underway to reduce that. BRICS countries removing reliance on the dollar will absolutely hurt the US for generations. A next president is not going to be able to correct this. The damage done to the US in the past months will take decades to recover, if ever. There is no short term pain, only long term pain. There is a lot of gain for those in power though, but that's a very small group.

If it were that easy, they’d have done so already. Europe is not so friendly with the US. If there was a way to stick it to America beyond drawing up laws designed specifically to target American companies or applying tariffs, they’d already have done so. We don’t need Europe. But they do need us. 

And can you imagine how tragic life in Europe would be with no Apple? Man that’s just really really sad. 

radarthekat said:

Here’s something the MAGA crowd doesn’t seem to  know is coming.  This 90-day delay… they think countries will use this time to kiss the ring.  Yes, they will send their emissaries to Washington, but back home they will be working feverishly to cut trade deals and form alliances to reduce their dependence on America and find new sources of needed goods and new markets for theirs.  

#FartOfTheDeal