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Courts say AI training on copyrighted material is legal
Very few people have eidetic memory. Lots have read and learned from Dr. Seuss, but few, having read it once, could recite Green Eggs and Ham verbatim from memory. I once queried one of the popular LLM AI programs to write a story about green eggs and ham in the style of Dr. Seuss. The AI program then regurgitated the original, almost verbatim.22july2013 said:If everyone who writes a comment on this page will send a fee to Dr Seuss for learning from his books to read and speak, then I will pay attention to their views if they oppose AI learning from published sources. But if you aren't willing to pay everyone that you learn from, for every word that comes out of your mouth, then I don't see why AI should have to pay either. Next, are we going to charge aliens for learning English by reading the radio waves that are being sent into deep space?
These programs consist of all this accumulated information scraped from wherever it can be scraped, combined with sufficient computational power to brute force a most-probable sequence of words in response to a submitted query. There is no reasoning or thinking or even learning in the human sense involved.
Had I submitted that green eggs and ham query to human writers, many would simply tell me Dr. Seuss had already written that. Some more creative people might think about it and do a mash-up, rewriting, say, Horton Hears a Who, but changing the story to be about green eggs and ham. Someone else might actually write an entirely original story about green eggs and ham, using a fresh helping of nonsense along with Seuss's characteristic rhyme and meter conventions.
The LLM AI, however, doesn't think at all, but rather spits out collages made from other people's work. A middle school or high school student has absorbed a tiny fraction of the amount of information indexed by and LLM program, they have received a tiny fraction of the programming (e.g. classroom instruction) of a LLM program, and will then apply a tiny fraction of the computational power used by AI to produce a written paper in response to a written instruction or assignment, and yet, an average or better student will, without committing plagiarism, produce a better written, more accurate, less hallucinatory paper than AI will.
Ai does not learn, it scrapes and indexes. AI does not think or create, regurgitates.
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Trump Mobile's made-in-US iPhone 17 competitor is really made in China
Your cute little story does not in any way describe Donald Trump’s relationship with the Trump Organization, which he owns, and which he very specifically did not put into a blind trust. While his two older sons may indeed run the day-to-day operations, Donald Trump remains in control, and you would have to be chugging orange kool aid to believe that his relationship with that business is in any way casual.9secondkox2 said:
No one made that claim. Another straw man. In my family, we are all in different businesses. When we get together we catch up. No doubt the Trump family does at least that - like any other human beings.Xed said:
I can't even fathom how deep someone has to be into the MAGA cult to claim that the convicted felon has no knowledge of the very organization that he's running. I feel bad for the American people in general for being raped (literally in some cases) by this convict, but I don't feel bad for the enablers that both support him on the top end or the idiots on the bottom end, which are the oddly the loudest voices that prop him him as some sort of deity.AppleZulu said:
Notably this is not a blind trust. The president is free to ask questions and give direction as his sons “run” the company that he still owns and profits from.spheric said:
Ah, I wasn’t aware. Yep, he still owns it, but his kids are running it since 2017. Okay. Fair point.9secondkox2 said:
You said president Trump made that quote. He did not. Period.spheric said:
Again:9secondkox2 said:The point is, that some on this forum have been attacking the president for @lying” about the phone, when in fact, up to this point? He’s said nothing. That is a false claim.
https://www.trump.com/media/trump-mobile-launches-a-bold-new-wireless-service
“Trump Mobile is also excited to announce it will release the “T1 Phone” in August. It is a sleek, gold smartphone engineered for performance and proudly designed and built in the United States”That is a lie. It’s on Trump.com — which, I must assume, is the current president’s commercial website.That is the website of the trump organization which was handed off to his kids years ago.That wasn’t the issue. It has been claimed that President Trump was involved in the venture, even claiming that he made marketing statements on its behalf. Simply not true. Don’t know how deep you have to go into the hater club to pretend people don’t act like people or put words into their mouths to pretend to have something against them.I know you won’t and you may be intellectually or emotionally incapable of it, but just for a moment, imagine the whole arrangement, but substitute Joe Biden for Donald Trump and Hunter for Eric and Don Jr.
Imagine Hunter, announcing Biden Mobile and a Biden phone three years ago, while his dad was busy making announcements and executive orders that were all up in Apple’s business. There is no way you’d have said good for Hunter, for finding a way to make money, and no way you’d have excused Joe Biden, because he hasn’t said anything and thus must surely have nothing to do with it.You know you would’ve been first on here railing against the whole thing, and how Biden should be impeached, because there is no way he has nothing to do with Hunter seeking to monetize his father’s presidency. Oddly, I would have agreed with you, because this thing is corrupt, from start to finish.
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Trump Mobile's made-in-US iPhone 17 competitor is really made in China
Notably this is not a blind trust. The president is free to ask questions and give direction as his sons “run” the company that he still owns and profits from.spheric said:
Ah, I wasn’t aware. Yep, he still owns it, but his kids are running it since 2017. Okay. Fair point.9secondkox2 said:
You said president Trump made that quote. He did not. Period.spheric said:
Again:9secondkox2 said:The point is, that some on this forum have been attacking the president for @lying” about the phone, when in fact, up to this point? He’s said nothing. That is a false claim.
https://www.trump.com/media/trump-mobile-launches-a-bold-new-wireless-service
“Trump Mobile is also excited to announce it will release the “T1 Phone” in August. It is a sleek, gold smartphone engineered for performance and proudly designed and built in the United States”That is a lie. It’s on Trump.com — which, I must assume, is the current president’s commercial website.That is the website of the trump organization which was handed off to his kids years ago.
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Trump Mobile's made-in-US iPhone 17 competitor is really made in China
9secondkox2 said:
The only people pretending here are you and Pericak pretending the president said something he didn’t in order to msnufacturers yet another reason to hate on the guy. His kids run the Rrump organization. It’s theirs now. They went with this cringe idea. So be it. Who knows-they may even get a decent customer base. Good luck to them. The problem with your take is you don’t see different things. You see only one - the Trump Name. And therefore it’s all bad somehow. There is trump. I think he is good for the nation. You disagree. So be it. Then there is the trump organization run by his kids. It’s America. His kids are allowed to run the business and find ways to expand. Also a good thing for them and any American who wants to go for it. Then there is the Trump Mobile service - also run by the kids as a means of expanding their business. Also a good thing to do - but unfortunately, it’s done very poorly. From its marketing, which is at least a bit disingenuous, to the phone itself, which is a piece of junk these days, to the graphic design which looks like they hired the same 5 year olds doing the marketing design for the new Superman movie. The fact that it’s Liberty Mobile, but they don’t say it outright is not good. Overrall, it seems more embarassing than helpful. But to take a poor execution of one business offering by an organization now run by his kids and use that as a weapon against the president himself, even making up lies that he himself is promoting this or attributing marring quotes to him is insane. You may not like they guy. And his family may have introduced some cringe product and service partnership through their busines. but that doesn’t equate to what you are pretending. Don’t worry though. Soon enough we will see some politician pushing for some punishment because the guy has kids who run a business and they did a business thing with that business.AppleZulu said:
What’s he supposed to do? I told you that already. Put the presidency above personal interest and condemn the whole thing. Tell his kids to stop profiteering on the Office of the President.9secondkox2 said:
Not my hero, but certainly someone I agree with and support on many issues,AppleZulu said:
You are much like your hero, in that you think that by repeating a false statement, you make it true. It’s still a lie. The Oxford dictionary defines majority: “▪ US English the number by which votes for one candidate are more than those for all other candidates together.” No matter how many times you say he did, Donald Trump did not win a majority of votes cast for President in the 2024 election. He has never won a majority of votes cast in any presidential election.9secondkox2 said:
incorrect. I said "majority." Not majority of the country. I assumed anyone with a brain knew the context meant majority of voters (who cared enough to show up) in a 3 way split. As in majority compared to the Democrat nominee and majority compared to the Independent candidates. Can't be a false claim just because someone's doesn't understand context..Stabitha_Christie said:
Ha, funny how you are very concerned about false claims unless it is you that is making them. You claimed Trump won the majority of the country, and when confronted with the fact that he didn’t, you doubled down and created a new definition of the word majority. Then, when corrected, complete with dictionary citation, you didn't have the integrity to acknowledge a mistake and instead you just fled the conversation. Not surprising, if anything typified Trump and his cult it is cowardice. You have zero credibility when it comes to lecturing others. Try to keep up.9secondkox2 said:
Incorrect. Spherical made the claim that president trump was lying about the trump mobile phone. It’s a false claim. The president hasn’t said anything about it. So he couldn’t be lying about it. And you are merely guessing/hoping DJT is involved. Try to keep up.AppleZulu said:
You’re trying once again to claim that Donald Trump has nothing to do with this, which is bullsh*t. You know it, and certainly everyone else here knows it.9secondkox2 said:
Where did “he” (President Donald J Trump) say that? Cite your source.spheric said:Whichever way Tr*mp won, whether the systematic disenfranchisement of non-Republican voters is legitimate or not:We learn here that Tr*mp supporters are apparently fine with him just outright lying about the phone being "made in America".Noted.Plausible deniability actually has to be plausible. Pretending it is when it isn’t is just an embarrassingly transparent lie.
Trump was elected president by a majority vote. It was comprehensive, encompassing both the popular and electoral vote. You may not like it, just like much of the country did not like the previous admin. But it is what it is.
But apparently you are cool with people like Sph*ric attributing statements to people who never said them so long as it fits your narrative, so...
To recap, Trump Mobile is a thing. It was announced and was brought into being by the family of the president who run an organization that he handed off to them years ago. It is unfortunately a bit cringe in execution if a decent idea. The phone itself is mid at best. AI thinks it is a reskinned REVVL, Engadget disagrees and thinks it's something else which more closely aligns with the body style. The marketing and design is horrible. The service quality will be as good as Liberty Mobile I suppose. And Donald J Trump has said exactly nothing (publicly) about this venture.You also keep claiming Trump’s public silence on his phone grift means he has nothing to do with it. We all know that’s not true. At some point, he will say something about it, and you’ll pretend you never made this argument while you scramble for a new ridiculous twisted logic to claim this is all ok.
Of course he will say something about it. And of course it will be positive. His kids are pushing it. What’s he supposed to do? Haye on a venture his kids are doing with the organization? Be real man.He will no doubt be questioned by cnn or nbc or whoever and he will answer. That’s how things are done.Oh no! Him then speaking on it is somehow bad? LOL GET A GRIP.
The point is, that some on this forum have been attacking the president for @lying” about the phone, when in fact, up to this point? He’s said nothing. That is a false claim.I may not be a master of tax brackets, but the reality still hits annd the net pay wasnt a marked increase. And even if I made an error in understanding, that’s clearly a mistake or understsnding. Much different than something so purposely deceptive as you or spheric putting words in someone’s mouth who never said them, just to pretend to have a point.Remember that time when conservative media went all-in to condemn Barack Obama for wearing a tan suit, because it was supposedly beneath the dignity of the office? This is way worse than wearing a tan suit.The fact that you can, within the same thread here, acknowledge that the whole Trump mobile and Trump phone thing is tacky and in poor taste, and pretend with all your might that the president has nothing to do with it, but then have zero expectations that he should ever object to it, either? That says a lot about your values. The mental gymnastics it takes to run that obstacle course of cognitive dissonance is really something.Your last paragraph about “master of tax brackets” is incomprehensible. All I can say is that maybe you should consider putting the proverbial kool aid down, go outside, get some fresh air and think about what you really value in life.
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Trump Mobile's made-in-US iPhone 17 competitor is really made in China
Carter put the peanut farm and farm supply warehouse into a blind trust before becoming president. He then sold the business after leaving office at a considerable loss, as he clearly hadn’t used the presidency to line his pockets.spheric said:Amazing to think that Carter sold his peanut farm because it was assumed that the responsibility of running the then-most-powerful nation on Earth allowed for no distractions.Donald Trump did not put Trump Org into a blind trust, instead handing day-to-day operations over to his sons, who don’t even pretend to separate the business from politics. In addition to maintaining ownership of his social media platform (literally monetizing public communications of the president), Trump launched a crypto currency company, effectively a tool to accept billions of dollars in personal donations, including deals with foreign countries and presidential access events for top crypto purchasers. He still charges the Secret Service rent. He accepted a $400 million 747 as a gift from a foreign government which will cost taxpayers an estimated $1 billion to retrofit, after which he plans to take it all with him when he leaves office.In the context of this unprecedented level of corruption, the Trump phone thing is small change, but we can’t let ourselves be desensitized and normalize this stuff. Trump literally targeted Apple with a threatened smartphone tariff if they didn’t start making iPhones in the US immediately. Unless the Trump phone thing is complete vaporware, they knew their business plan was pending while Trump was threatening direct competitors by presidential fiat. If they just cooked up the whole Trump phone idea in the past two weeks (also a real possibility) that flips the order, but still presents a stunning conflict of interest. Even without the phone device, Trump Mobile represents a conflict of interest, as they are seeking access to the cell networks owned by all of the major phone companies, which are regulated by the FCC. This isn’t only about grifting on the presidential “brand.” It’s about doing personal business in the epicenter of direct, unilateral, official presidential actions. This alone should be an impeachable offense.
