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elijahg said:

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Of course, the bottom line remains: Apple leadership has said repeatedly over the years that they're not interested in making a hybrid 2-in-1, so that's the answer.  Nope.

Just like they said about the iPad before it was revealed. They never talk about future products, what makes you think they'd do so about this?

That’s just a nonsensical logical fallacy. By your reasoning, you could substitute your preference for anything they say, because there’s no way to prove the negative. (Example: ask Tim Cook when the Apple Aircraft Carrier will be launched. “We’re not going to make an aircraft carrier,” he replies. “Ah ha!” you exclaim, “The denial just proves they’re going to make an aircraft carrier!”) That’s just ludicrous.

Also, you’ll need to show your work to demonstrate where they said repeatedly over the years that they wouldn’t make an iPad before they released the iPad. 

Well no it's not, because I'm not "substituting my preference", and I can prove they said no to tablets because it's something Jobs actually said. And a direct contradiction to your claim that what they've said will always be the case and they never change their mind. It's a demonstrable example of one of their many U turns. You're the one claiming they will never produce a 2-in-1, because they said they won't. Which is exactly what they said about tablets before they unveiled the iPad.

You have resorted to creating strawman arguments to try and dig yourself out of your hole. Please point out where I claimed the denial actually meant they would definitely make a 2-in-1?

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tmay said:

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You can rail against that reality all you want, but Apple has repeatedly said they’re not interested. No does actually mean no. 

No it doesn't. Apple U turns all the time. Have you somehow missed the re-addition of "legacy" ports on the new Macbooks? They're not combining iPad and Mac in the hope users will buy both. Unfortunately for Apple though, people apparently realise iPadOS is too much of a toy to get real work done, so sales have been declining since 2014 - save for a pandemic related boost. You really think carting two devices about just so you can use the touchscreen on one is a better solution than a 2-in-1? right.

So, you must be a user of a 2 in 1...

Pointing out that Apple makes U turns doesn't mean I want a 2-in-1, but I can see where they are useful and have seen them in use in the wild, and they're a lot more capable than an iPad. I draw diagrams fairly often and that's impossible on an Apple laptop at the moment, and there is no way I'm going to get an iPad just for that. 

If iPad had a real OS however, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. But as my workflow doesn't fit exactly into Apple's narrow view of one should do with an iPad, it is pretty useless to me. Instead, I have a MBP. I would love more than anything to have an M1 iPad that I could connect to external peripherals and use as a real computer to fix software bugs, recompile and flash external devices, write basic scripts and debug networks, rather having little more than an expensive toy with iPadOS. I have no use for a touchscreen on a laptop, but a powerful tablet would be great because it's so much more convenient than a laptop.

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AppleInsider said:

Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.

The new MacBook Pro

As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.

Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.

"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."

Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."

Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.

"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."

Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."

She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.

"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.

Read on AppleInsider

So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.

That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.

Customers -- well, screw them.

Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.

Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.

Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.

Time to move on. 

LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's?    Really?

I'm quite aware of those OEM's.

So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?

That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?

Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.

Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.

https://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Sketchpad-Software-Compatible-EXCLUSIVE/dp/B07HCLTLYV/ref=asc_df_B07HCLTLYV/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309744490248&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1384995463466138278&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030905&hvtargid=pla-617697600922&psc=1

Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.

But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.  

It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.

Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.

What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.

Or maybe, you just like to whinge.

No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.

What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.

Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today. 

It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1. 

Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it. 

Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation?   Or just more trolling?

Have you ever had anything constructive to post about Apple and 2 in 1's.

No.

Just more whinging, same as you ever have.

Apple has stated that they won't build a 2 in 1. Take them at their word. Move on.

So you have nothing to contribute, just more trolling.  Got it.

Missed this headline until now and clicked through fully expecting to see …this. I am unsurprised. 

Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1. They keep saying it, and you keep complaining about it, so predictably that I looked just to see how quickly you got at it. 

Also predictably, others disagree with your complaint and point out that they’ve read your predicable lament about this before, then you start calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Then sometimes you get really heated about it, and eventually the management comes in and clips off your ad hominem posts and leaves it with whoever made the last point that Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1, and that maybe you should just let it go. 

Sorry if you disagree with my logic.  But it's not my problem that it upsets you.  But, if you have anything constructive to add, please let us know. 

By the way, Apple would never add a cursor to the iPad either, until they did.  You were all upset over any mention of that too -- till Apple added it, then things got real quiet.

There’s no logic to disagree with. Apple has said over and over and over that they’re not going to do the thing you want. As a refresher for you, here’s what Apple said about that this time:

According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.

"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."

There’s no equivocation there. They’re not going to do the thing you keep going on about. Belittling everyone who points that out to you won’t make it happen, either. 

Life is short. If you want a 2-in-1, go buy one. They’re out there. Instead of using the time you have left complaining that Apple isn’t making one for you, get one of the other ones and start using it. You can probably even use it to surf to a Windows forum where folks share tips and tricks for how to make the most of it. Could be a wholly positive, enjoyable experience for you. I hope it is. 

The lack of logic, as I pointed out, is not that they have, so far, refused to make a 2 in 1.  But in them selling a car without a trunk and telling people to also buy a pickup truck if they want to carry anything.

2 in 1's are here to stay.  They aren't going away and instead will, I think, continue to grow.  Apple admitted that when they created the touchbar to take the place of a touch screen.  But, that was clearly the wrong direction which they have rolled back from.  Which leaves them with nothing.

That said, from their current direction, it appears more likely that they will develop the iPad into a 2 in 1 than the Mac.   But, they really could and should do both.

You set a very low bar for Apple.

I think more highly of them and believe they can do better and will continue to point out where I think they can do better -- even if you think that should not be allowed.