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Rayz2016 said:

alandail said:

bluefire1 said:

Apple should have known better.

All they did was fix a problem.  Now they are being sued for fixing it.

This is true, but all they had to do is look back at all the nonsense written about them for the past twenty years. Then they would have realised not being up front about it, straight away, was going to end badly. 

alvrt snchz said:

bs video, apple didn't care about the performance of the phone, they new people will upgrade devices. 
My iPad mini 3 was perfectly smooth just before iOS 11. And I had just 4 months with it so the battery couldn't be degraded plus I had all day battery use, so if battery was a problem I should have noticed a decrease in run time. I couldn't stand the crap performance after updating so what I did? Yes, I bought me an iPad mini 4 running iOS 10.2 and the device works perfectly smooth. Running outdated software, yes but I won't update again. 

rogifan_new said:

Blunt said:

rogifan_new said:

muthuk_vanalingam said:

rogifan_new said:

John Gruber did a recent podcast with Jason Snell on this subject. Definitely did not let Apple off the hook. Snell wondered just how much Apple thinks about an iPhone in year 3,4 of its lifespan. He also thinks top execs at Apple should have to use the latest software in development on a 3 year old device as their daily driver to determine if the experience is good enough to ship. It sounded like he has family members with older phones running the latest software and the experience isn’t great. Something else they brought up is users shouldn’t have to wipe their devices and reload from backup to improve the experience or get it back to what it was before the software update.

I am curious about Apple’s product development process. When they were first desigining the 6 did they take in to account that it would get 3 years worth of software updates? Who decided the 6 should get iOS 11? How does Apple decide how big the battery is going to be in a device? Do they start out with a certain battery life they want to hit and then put in whatever battery size will meet that target? And what is the target based on? Or is the battery size determined by a specific device weight/thickness target? With iPad the battery life has consistently been about 9 hours or so. Does Apple ever think about trying to get more or have they decided 9 hours is good enough?

Another problem Apple has is new versions of iOS for iPhone are tied new hardware releases so people on older devices are updating at the same time new devices are going on sale. That can easily leave the perception that Apple slowing down older phones to get people to upgrade. I know Apple wants as many users as possible to be on the latest software but maybe they need to re-think how long older devices keep getting software updates. Maybe iPhone 6 should have stopped at iOS 10 and only receive updates if there’s some critical security bug or something broke that needs to be fixed (like some iOS 6 only devices getting an update to fix an issue with FaceTime). And on the hardware side perhaps devices need to be futue proofed more. Maybe iPhone 6’s 1GB RAM was sufficient with iOS 8 but would that still be the case a year or two later after several software updates? The first iPad Air I had Safari was nearly unusable because the browser tabs were constantly reloading (how anyone at Apple found this acceptable is beyond me). With my iPad Pro and 4GB RAM I never run into this issue. One reason why I would never go back to an iPad that has less than 4GB RAM. Phil Schiller gave an interview before Christmas when he said (in reference to software bugs) that Apple had some soul searching to do. Good. Hopefully we really see that they’ve done that in 2018, especially on the software side.

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/12/30/the-talk-show-210

You have made lot of good points. Expect rebuttal from few of those posters who would defend Apple at any cost.

It was Gruber’s podcast that got me thinking. I hope Schiller or Federighi have a chance to listen to it.

Don't know about your points. My daughter has a iPhone 5S with the latest iOS version and it runs as fast as ever. I don't think that the newer iOS versions requier a lot more processing power and RAM. By the way she has the original battery which has been charged every day.
We have three iPads and they never ran slower after an update (i allways wait a few months before updating).
My iPhone 7 still runs iOS 10. It would be nice though if you could easily downgrade and Apple would release security updates and bug fixes for some older versions. Just in case.

Well Jason Snell’s family seem to have had the opposite experience. Glad everything is working well for your family though.

rogifan_new said:

muthuk_vanalingam said:

rogifan_new said:

John Gruber did a recent podcast with Jason Snell on this subject. Definitely did not let Apple off the hook. Snell wondered just how much Apple thinks about an iPhone in year 3,4 of its lifespan. He also thinks top execs at Apple should have to use the latest software in development on a 3 year old device as their daily driver to determine if the experience is good enough to ship. It sounded like he has family members with older phones running the latest software and the experience isn’t great. Something else they brought up is users shouldn’t have to wipe their devices and reload from backup to improve the experience or get it back to what it was before the software update.

I am curious about Apple’s product development process. When they were first desigining the 6 did they take in to account that it would get 3 years worth of software updates? Who decided the 6 should get iOS 11? How does Apple decide how big the battery is going to be in a device? Do they start out with a certain battery life they want to hit and then put in whatever battery size will meet that target? And what is the target based on? Or is the battery size determined by a specific device weight/thickness target? With iPad the battery life has consistently been about 9 hours or so. Does Apple ever think about trying to get more or have they decided 9 hours is good enough?

Another problem Apple has is new versions of iOS for iPhone are tied new hardware releases so people on older devices are updating at the same time new devices are going on sale. That can easily leave the perception that Apple slowing down older phones to get people to upgrade. I know Apple wants as many users as possible to be on the latest software but maybe they need to re-think how long older devices keep getting software updates. Maybe iPhone 6 should have stopped at iOS 10 and only receive updates if there’s some critical security bug or something broke that needs to be fixed (like some iOS 6 only devices getting an update to fix an issue with FaceTime). And on the hardware side perhaps devices need to be futue proofed more. Maybe iPhone 6’s 1GB RAM was sufficient with iOS 8 but would that still be the case a year or two later after several software updates? The first iPad Air I had Safari was nearly unusable because the browser tabs were constantly reloading (how anyone at Apple found this acceptable is beyond me). With my iPad Pro and 4GB RAM I never run into this issue. One reason why I would never go back to an iPad that has less than 4GB RAM. Phil Schiller gave an interview before Christmas when he said (in reference to software bugs) that Apple had some soul searching to do. Good. Hopefully we really see that they’ve done that in 2018, especially on the software side.

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/12/30/the-talk-show-210

You have made lot of good points. Expect rebuttal from few of those posters who would defend Apple at any cost.

It was Gruber’s podcast that got me thinking. I hope Schiller or Federighi have a chance to listen to it.

VRing said:

georgie01 said:

VRing said:

racerhomie3 said:

It’s pretty pathetic that my $350 32GB iPhone SE is visibly faster than the $1000 Note 8

No it's not.

Those video tests are interesting but are less conclusive than geekbench tests. How many people use their phone like that? I suspect we’re talking about less than 1%.

The times in real life usage where an app reloads marginally faster on the Note8 will be counteracted many times by the fact that the iPhone is a faster phone overall with a considerably faster processor. Even something simple like the significantly faster JavaScript engine in Safari will benefit the user regularly and isn’t shown in that test.

You're missing the takeaway here. A user claims that the iPhone SE with the Apple A9 is "visibly" faster than the Note 8. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this method of testing.

One thing I will mention is that web browsing is in fact just as fast on a Note 8 as an iPhone 8 Plus/X. Another area that a lot of people seem to forget is your connectivity speeds. On regular LTE, the Note 8 will download twice as fast. On gigabit LTE, the Note 8 can download around three to four times faster.