bubblefree

netrox said:

ralphie said:

I think the whole no sim tray is a deal made with US carriers to force you into their high priced roaming when traveling.  Should be investigated.

Just no.

I want convenience of SIM being activated from home and I want my phone tracked if it's stolen. I want my phone to be free from specific carriers. I want to have more than one plan. I want the freedom that eSIM offers. 

Criminals hate that. What good is the new iPhone if they cannot sell it or can be tracked? 

"The freedom that eSIM offers"?!? What freedom is that? Freedom to have to use Apple software to add or change any eSIM? The freedom to be able to only use foreign carriers that support eSIM when travelling? (of which there are very very few) The freedom to not be able to add a physical SIM card from almost any network carrier on the planet because your phone doesn't have a SIM tray?
Apple created Find My to stop phones being stolen and used by thieves. It doesn't work. The thieves simply found a way around it. I know because my daughters iPhone was stolen this year and showed up in China being used. What makes you think that eSIM's will stop phone theft. Chances are they won't and like Find My they won't stop thieves.

22july2013 said:

bubblefree said:

Getting rid of the SIM tray is a stupid move. In a world of open standards, where SIM cards are still used everywhere in the world, why move to esims only? 

Perhaps to reduce costs, simplify design, and make the phone more water resistant? Which of these reasons makes no sense to you?

Er... all of them. Reduce costs - negligible in a phone which costs $1000. Simplify design - Sim tray is still being used in EVERY other market apart from USA. Design is the same. Make Phone more water resistant - iPhone 13 is already very water resistant.
This isn't about any of these things OR the stuff Apple is saying (Security or using multiple esims). This is simply about control. GSM became the overriding technical standard over CDMA because it allowed people to choose which service they wanted to use without the carrier getting involved. Buy a SIM and put it in your phone. Apple is now trying to reassert this control into its products. Trouble is it will be years (if ever) before the rest of the world follows. Mention esim in most developed countries and they look at you like you are an alien. This isn't about what is right for Apple's customers but what is right for Apple's commercial partners - the mobile carriers.

Getting rid of the SIM tray is a stupid move. In a world of open standards, where SIM cards are still used everywhere in the world, why move to esims only? The old model where you had both esim and physical SIM tray was the best option and gave customers choice. Apple's reasoning around multiple esims and security is nonsense. They could have multiple esims and a physical SIM tray if they wanted. If people wanted security then use an esim, if they wanted convenience then use their physical SIM card.
I wonder if this move is related to Apple bowing to pressure from US carriers who don't want people to avoid roaming costs by using a local country SIM card when they travel? If so, it opens up another antitrust issue that Apple could do without.

Getting rid of the SIM tray is a stupid move. In a world of open standards, where SIM cards are still used everywhere in the world, why move to esims only? The old model where you had both esim and physical SIM tray was the best option and gave customers choice. Apple's reasoning around multiple esims and security is nonsense. They could have multiple esims and a physical SIM tray if they wanted. If people wanted security then use an esim, if they wanted convenience then use their physical SIM card.
I wonder if this move is related to Apple bowing to pressure from US carriers who don't want people to avoid roaming costs by using a local country SIM card when they travel? If so, it opens up another antitrust issue that Apple could do without.

Getting rid of the SIM tray is a stupid move. In a world of open standards, where SIM cards are still used everywhere in the world, why move to esims only? The old model where you had both esim and physical SIM tray was the best option and gave customers choice. Apple's reasoning around multiple esims and security is nonsense. They could have multiple esims and a physical SIM tray if they wanted. If people wanted security then use an esim, if they wanted convenience then use their physical SIM card.
I wonder if this move is related to Apple bowing to pressure from US carriers who don't want people to avoid roaming costs by using a local country SIM card when they travel? If so, it opens up another antitrust issue that Apple could do without.