dee_dee

blitz1 said:

Europe 5 - Apple 0

You sure have a funny way of keeping score. 

I used to look forward to these events, not they are just super boring snore-fests.

appleinsideruser said:

Whilst I’m enjoying your combative attitude, does a supplier doing it that (Windows) way, really prove your point?

Interesting that you perceive me telling you that you’re incorrect  as “combative”.  And yes it proves my point. You don’t understand what you’re taking about. 

appleinsideruser said:

dee_dee said:

appleinsideruser said:

dee_dee said:

CheeseFreeze said:

AppleZulu said:

So this is where we see letting third-party vendors have that level of access to the OS in order to provide security becomes a vulnerability in itself. 

Nonsense. Good standards don’t let third parties to operate “on an OS level” since that access is not needed to begin with. In case of Apple and Microsoft they provide APIs and frameworks that other vendors can use. They stay within these boundaries (or there wouldn’t be a standard).

Also, you could argue the very opposite. Letting a few tech giants in control over protocols used world-wide means that when things go bad, everything goes bad. 

You might not understand how antivirus work, but kernel access is needed for them to function.  

Not in some OSes you don't: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/endpointsecurity/monitoring_system_events_with_endpoint_security

Read more at Writing a File Monitor with Apple's Endpoint Security Framework over at Objective-See

You proved my point.  Antivirus software doesn’t just monitor “files that change” - any file on the computer, including OS files need to be monitored.  You think viruses just play around in “My Docunents” folder ??  

Think about it - if a virus can shut down that API then your antivirus software would be rendered useless. 

The point is that an application can do what’s needed, without being in a privileged position to screw the kernel. Apple provides similar security tools to monitor processes and the network too: https://objective-see.org/products/utilities.html

You are wrong.  Just look at the installation instructions for crowd strike on MacOS. You have to disable system security protection to allow kernel access. 

appleinsideruser said:

dee_dee said:

CheeseFreeze said:

AppleZulu said:

So this is where we see letting third-party vendors have that level of access to the OS in order to provide security becomes a vulnerability in itself. 

Nonsense. Good standards don’t let third parties to operate “on an OS level” since that access is not needed to begin with. In case of Apple and Microsoft they provide APIs and frameworks that other vendors can use. They stay within these boundaries (or there wouldn’t be a standard).

Also, you could argue the very opposite. Letting a few tech giants in control over protocols used world-wide means that when things go bad, everything goes bad. 

You might not understand how antivirus work, but kernel access is needed for them to function.  

Not is some OSes you don't: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/endpointsecurity/monitoring_system_events_with_endpoint_security

Read more at Writing a File Monitor with Apple's Endpoint Security Framework over at Objective-See

You proved my point.  Antivirus software doesn’t just monitor “files that change” - any file on the computer, including OS files need to be monitored.  You think viruses just play around in “My Docunents” folder ??  

Think about it - if a virus can shut down that API then your antivirus software would be rendered useless.