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gatorguy said:

dee_dee said:

gatorguy said:

dee_dee said:

nubus said:

After a decade of being tone-deaf... what a surprise! Nice to see Apple become smart about politics. It would have been better if Apple had taken part in the design of the standard, but this is good. Much better than being forced as with USB-C, right-to-repair, and soon AppStore alternatives.

Only approx 20% of Android users have access to RCS, and the standard is a hot mess. Apple must be feeling charitable this holiday season. 

I know some article said it was claimed, but without any source for it. "Someone said", in other words. I'd consider it a suspect estimate.

Last I recall reading, Google Messages has nearly a billion active users now, so they're doing OK. 

Your recollection is not that great. Google themselves said there’s 500 million users, and there’s over 3 billion androids in the world so that’s actually closer to 15%. 

Google is obviously not doing “ok” since they’ve been crying in the press for years now over Apple’s blue bubbles and Android market share in decline. 

My recollection is great. You're basing your entire argument on what they said over a year and a half ago.  Did you purposely avoid more recent announcements, or just didn't want to look for any? Back in May this year Google announced it had risen to 800 million active users. 

So here it is 6 months later, and a billion active users is almost certainly on the low side. Not too shabby for a service that's not yet available in every country. 

gatorguy said:

dee_dee said:

nubus said:

After a decade of being tone-deaf... what a surprise! Nice to see Apple become smart about politics. It would have been better if Apple had taken part in the design of the standard, but this is good. Much better than being forced as with USB-C, right-to-repair, and soon AppStore alternatives.

Only approx 20% of Android users have access to RCS, and the standard is a hot mess. Apple must be feeling charitable this holiday season. 

I know some article said it was claimed, but without any source for it. "Someone said", in other words. I'd consider it a suspect estimate.

Last I recall reading, Google Messages has nearly a billion active users now, so they're doing OK. 

auxio said:

nubus said:

After a decade of being tone-deaf... what a surprise! Nice to see Apple become smart about politics. It would have been better if Apple had taken part in the design of the standard, but this is good. Much better than being forced as with USB-C, right-to-repair, and soon AppStore alternatives.

Because hey, if you invest in the R&D and come up with a well designed technology from the get-go, you should be forced to either give it away to everyone or switch to someone else's once they clone it. No point in being a company which actually tries to make money from creating well-designed new technology products when you can be an advertising company which gives all the technology they create (typically clone) away for free.

I'm wondering if this business model is going to start making its way into other professions too. Where, say, architects and engineers create buildings for free, and make money by installing cameras, microphones, and special wireless signal monitoring systems into those buildings. How far do we take this "everything must be free" mentality?

I get the fact that, eventually, interoperability is needed/desired. Would would be ideal is compensating the creator of the technology when it's decided that it should be opened up for interoperability. Much like the FRAND system on the hardware side of things. That would ensure that companies which want to focus on innovating and creating technology products can avoid being forced to fund their work via advertising, or cloned and owned by competitors who come along after them. And yes, the technology they create should be evaluated to determine if they truly added value to it rather than just repackaging something which already existed.

nubus said:

After a decade of being tone-deaf... what a surprise! Nice to see Apple become smart about politics. It would have been better if Apple had taken part in the design of the standard, but this is good. Much better than being forced as with USB-C, right-to-repair, and soon AppStore alternatives.

gatorguy said:

Worth mentioning is an appeal by Apple won't have any effect on the compliance date. The Digital Markets Act requires Apple to meet the requirements by March 2024.