Madtiger

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

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Madtiger said:

Seth2015 said:

@tmay People use different devices. I have both an iPhone X (standby phone every 2 weeks) and Huawei. You want a real world opinion? You can't see the difference in speed in actual using the phones. There's no jitter or judder, despite what Strangedays thinks he knows.

Anyhow - but based on the comments here slating Androids, it'd be interesting to see which the people have used (or even read about;). There's a great world out there of mobile phones! @Madtiger wasn't even aware that Huawei phones be bought anywhere in the world - yet they're the second largest manufacture behind Samsung? So, it's very interesting how he (and others) can be that opinionated on something he has zero idea about.  

Huawei...BANNED.  Sorry.  They sell a lot in countries where it is not banned or thru 3rd party.  Oh look, its CFO got arrested...must be because they do honest business.  Oh wait...they support terrorist nations.  Good job there kid for supporting Huawei.

Huawei handsets have not been banned. Much less 'BANNED'.

Check out Amazon US.

There are limitations on use in some areas (US military personnel for example) but that is applicable to many brands all over the world.

I've known people in the 'intelligence' realm who can fly using civil aviation but not use aeroflot. The are restrictions for people in certain jobs.

Honest Q...you support Huawei 100%?  Even though they are sending OUR technology to IRAN?  The country that literally produces some of the worst terrorist networks and are responsible for killing your so many countrymen and our soldiers???!!!!  

You our want to keep defending Huawei?  If so, then you’re pathetic. 

Honest answer: I support facts.

The facts are the Huawei and ZTE resold U.S. technology into Iran at a time that Iran was sanctioned. ZTE has already paid for their mistake.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/06/us-probe-into-huawei-includes-accusations-of-bank-fraud-and-sanctions-violations-reuters.html

So, off with her head then! LOL. Why bother with the paperwork!

An accusation is just that, an accusation.

The fact is that there is nothing proven until the case is heard. Painting an accusation as proof of guilt is more than a little worrying.

In the case of ZTE, they accepted the situation. As of today, that isn't the case of Huawei. The fact is they have denied the accusations.

You are getting ahead of yourself. Let's repond to facts as they are presented, not beforehand.

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

Seth2015 said:

@tmay People use different devices. I have both an iPhone X (standby phone every 2 weeks) and Huawei. You want a real world opinion? You can't see the difference in speed in actual using the phones. There's no jitter or judder, despite what Strangedays thinks he knows.

Anyhow - but based on the comments here slating Androids, it'd be interesting to see which the people have used (or even read about;). There's a great world out there of mobile phones! @Madtiger wasn't even aware that Huawei phones be bought anywhere in the world - yet they're the second largest manufacture behind Samsung? So, it's very interesting how he (and others) can be that opinionated on something he has zero idea about.  

Huawei...BANNED.  Sorry.  They sell a lot in countries where it is not banned or thru 3rd party.  Oh look, its CFO got arrested...must be because they do honest business.  Oh wait...they support terrorist nations.  Good job there kid for supporting Huawei.

Huawei handsets have not been banned. Much less 'BANNED'.

Check out Amazon US.

There are limitations on use in some areas (US military personnel for example) but that is applicable to many brands all over the world.

I've known people in the 'intelligence' realm who can fly using civil aviation but not use aeroflot. The are restrictions for people in certain jobs.

Banned from government jobs, telecommunication offices, military etc.  and that is just USA. 

BANNED. 

That is what you should have said, then. However, you didn't. You just threw a blanket 'BANNED' over everything.

The fact remains, you can pick up any Huawei handset in the US with zero commercial restrictions.

It is something completely different when your employer (be it the government or not) places its own restrictions.

How is it possible that Huawei handsets can be sold legally throughout the US when they are 'banned'?

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

Seth2015 said:

@tmay People use different devices. I have both an iPhone X (standby phone every 2 weeks) and Huawei. You want a real world opinion? You can't see the difference in speed in actual using the phones. There's no jitter or judder, despite what Strangedays thinks he knows.

Anyhow - but based on the comments here slating Androids, it'd be interesting to see which the people have used (or even read about;). There's a great world out there of mobile phones! @Madtiger wasn't even aware that Huawei phones be bought anywhere in the world - yet they're the second largest manufacture behind Samsung? So, it's very interesting how he (and others) can be that opinionated on something he has zero idea about.  

Huawei...BANNED.  Sorry.  They sell a lot in countries where it is not banned or thru 3rd party.  Oh look, its CFO got arrested...must be because they do honest business.  Oh wait...they support terrorist nations.  Good job there kid for supporting Huawei.

Huawei handsets have not been banned. Much less 'BANNED'.

Check out Amazon US.

There are limitations on use in some areas (US military personnel for example) but that is applicable to many brands all over the world.

I've known people in the 'intelligence' realm who can fly using civil aviation but not use aeroflot. The are restrictions for people in certain jobs.

Honest Q...you support Huawei 100%?  Even though they are sending OUR technology to IRAN?  The country that literally produces some of the worst terrorist networks and are responsible for killing your so many countrymen and our soldiers???!!!!  

You our want to keep defending Huawei?  If so, then you’re pathetic. 

Honest answer: I support facts.

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

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Madtiger said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

Seth2015 said:

Madtiger said:

Seth2015 said:

I wonder how much Apple paid for this?

Zero.  Apple is not Android OEMs.  (BTW, DPreview is very authoritative in camera world.)

Don't you then find it interesting that when they run a blind test with 5,000,000+ votes - the iPhone doesn't come anywhere?
And when DXOMark (also a leader in optical tests) does their reviews, the iPhone comes 3 or 4 ?
And that any other review generally ends with the conclusion that although the iPhone is exceptional, it cannot match the Huawei?
Seen the night pictures between the two? They can't even really be compared.

Anyway - it seems really odd that although iPhone hasn't had a winning camera for 2 or 3 years, this crops up. Beating the Pixel is one - but beating the Huawei?

For the record, the XS is currently second behind the Huawei P20 Pro, 109 to 105, at DXOmark. That's not a huge lead by any stretch, and given the limitations of the Huawei in usability, there isn't going to be much, if any, iPhone buyers scurrying off to pick up a Mate 20 Pro. Mostly though, people are a lot less interested in high end camera features simply because the current systems are "good enough".

Obviously, DPReview found that the Mate 20 Pro didn't best the iPhone XS, because the finalists were only the Pixel 3 and the iPhone XS.

Oh btw, a blind, online test isn't really a test of image quality; it's actually a test of viewing conditions, and bias.

I'm not sure what you mean by usability.

The Huawei camera app has always had a full on Pro mode which is often praised by photographers precisely for its usability.

One of the major criticisms of iPhones is the very limited options out of the box. Also, the insistence of the phone to have absolute control of if you can even take a picture or not while in certain modes. The last one I read was regarding the HDR mode. Before that it was low light portrait mode.

The lead of the P20 Pro over the XS at DX0 is quite big. The surprising thing is that Apple's latest, and best iPhones ever, are sitting behind a phone that was released in March.

It's strange that the Mate 20 Pro has not been listed but there is speculation that Huawei is actually holding the results back for marketing reasons. To leave the P20 Pro in the spotlight for as long as possible and maximise sales (the P20 Pro is currently part of a marketing push). The same sources claim that the minute the P20 Pro sees a challenger, Huawei will release the Mate 20 Pro results which are supposedly in the 115 ball park (pure rumours of course but they came out of a huge packet of rumours and all the rest were correct).

Your rumor tree is false. That “115” came out of some Chinese kid with photoshop skill. That same kid incorrectly predicted XS score. 

DxO publishes the scores on its own time frame. OEMs do not tell it when to publish.  

Lol. Seriously that’s a riot of a post you wrote!!!!  

DxO has issues in its testing methodology but what you wrote is pure trash...again. 

No, the rumour came out of a packet that included references to Bone Voice ID. That looked quite questionable at the time and it didn't appear on the Mate 20 Pro. However, it did appear during the Magic 2 presentation. The only difference was that it was on an Honor device and not a Huawei branded device.

Huawei can easily request that DX0 withold results. I don't know why you think that seems strange. In most cases it would seem counterproductive but the rumour in this case does sound at least feasible.

Link?  

I'm speaking from memory. In the run-up to the Mate 20, the rumour mill was overheating. 

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

Seth2015 said:

@tmay People use different devices. I have both an iPhone X (standby phone every 2 weeks) and Huawei. You want a real world opinion? You can't see the difference in speed in actual using the phones. There's no jitter or judder, despite what Strangedays thinks he knows.

Anyhow - but based on the comments here slating Androids, it'd be interesting to see which the people have used (or even read about;). There's a great world out there of mobile phones! @Madtiger wasn't even aware that Huawei phones be bought anywhere in the world - yet they're the second largest manufacture behind Samsung? So, it's very interesting how he (and others) can be that opinionated on something he has zero idea about.  

Huawei...BANNED.  Sorry.  They sell a lot in countries where it is not banned or thru 3rd party.  Oh look, its CFO got arrested...must be because they do honest business.  Oh wait...they support terrorist nations.  Good job there kid for supporting Huawei.

Huawei handsets have not been banned. Much less 'BANNED'.

Check out Amazon US.

There are limitations on use in some areas (US military personnel for example) but that is applicable to many brands all over the world.

I've known people in the 'intelligence' realm who can fly using civil aviation but not use aeroflot. The are restrictions for people in certain jobs.