Madtiger

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

Seth2015 said:

@tmay People use different devices. I have both an iPhone X (standby phone every 2 weeks) and Huawei. You want a real world opinion? You can't see the difference in speed in actual using the phones. There's no jitter or judder, despite what Strangedays thinks he knows.

Anyhow - but based on the comments here slating Androids, it'd be interesting to see which the people have used (or even read about;). There's a great world out there of mobile phones! @Madtiger wasn't even aware that Huawei phones be bought anywhere in the world - yet they're the second largest manufacture behind Samsung? So, it's very interesting how he (and others) can be that opinionated on something he has zero idea about.  

Huawei...BANNED.  Sorry.  They sell a lot in countries where it is not banned or thru 3rd party.  Oh look, its CFO got arrested...must be because they do honest business.  Oh wait...they support terrorist nations.  Good job there kid for supporting Huawei.

Huawei handsets have not been banned. Much less 'BANNED'.

Check out Amazon US.

There are limitations on use in some areas (US military personnel for example) but that is applicable to many brands all over the world.

I've known people in the 'intelligence' realm who can fly using civil aviation but not use aeroflot. The are restrictions for people in certain jobs.

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

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Seth2015 said:

I wonder how much Apple paid for this?

Zero.  Apple is not Android OEMs.  (BTW, DPreview is very authoritative in camera world.)

Don't you then find it interesting that when they run a blind test with 5,000,000+ votes - the iPhone doesn't come anywhere?
And when DXOMark (also a leader in optical tests) does their reviews, the iPhone comes 3 or 4 ?
And that any other review generally ends with the conclusion that although the iPhone is exceptional, it cannot match the Huawei?
Seen the night pictures between the two? They can't even really be compared.

Anyway - it seems really odd that although iPhone hasn't had a winning camera for 2 or 3 years, this crops up. Beating the Pixel is one - but beating the Huawei?

For the record, the XS is currently second behind the Huawei P20 Pro, 109 to 105, at DXOmark. That's not a huge lead by any stretch, and given the limitations of the Huawei in usability, there isn't going to be much, if any, iPhone buyers scurrying off to pick up a Mate 20 Pro. Mostly though, people are a lot less interested in high end camera features simply because the current systems are "good enough".

Obviously, DPReview found that the Mate 20 Pro didn't best the iPhone XS, because the finalists were only the Pixel 3 and the iPhone XS.

Oh btw, a blind, online test isn't really a test of image quality; it's actually a test of viewing conditions, and bias.

I'm not sure what you mean by usability.

The Huawei camera app has always had a full on Pro mode which is often praised by photographers precisely for its usability.

One of the major criticisms of iPhones is the very limited options out of the box. Also, the insistence of the phone to have absolute control of if you can even take a picture or not while in certain modes. The last one I read was regarding the HDR mode. Before that it was low light portrait mode.

The lead of the P20 Pro over the XS at DX0 is quite big. The surprising thing is that Apple's latest, and best iPhones ever, are sitting behind a phone that was released in March.

It's strange that the Mate 20 Pro has not been listed but there is speculation that Huawei is actually holding the results back for marketing reasons. To leave the P20 Pro in the spotlight for as long as possible and maximise sales (the P20 Pro is currently part of a marketing push). The same sources claim that the minute the P20 Pro sees a challenger, Huawei will release the Mate 20 Pro results which are supposedly in the 115 ball park (pure rumours of course but they came out of a huge packet of rumours and all the rest were correct).

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silvergold84 said:

Well, I have the XS Max and the photos are something incredible better. No other smartphone have something similar , especially the pixel. Why?because the galaxy or huawei or pixel show the same limit of smartphones camera. The iPhone bring up the level of quality. This is the real step forward to bring us into the future. Not the pixel. Look the picture in a big display or tv and you will understand the differences.

Don't go getting ahead of yourself there.lol The iPhone Xs has a nice camera and much better than previous iPhone but..The pixels have been smoking the iPhone on camera until the Xs came out..Even now it's a toss up and matter of taste when it comes to which gives the best shot most of the time..Most people still say the pixel 3 has the edge on photos, especially low light. I'd give the iPhone video as well.
I've taken some amazing shots with my pixel 3 XL. When I had the pics printed out at Wal-Mart the workers there couldn't belieive the pics came from a phone.

Don’t get ahead of yourself here.......Pixel has been slightly better than previous iPhones ONLY in pics. iPhone has ALWAYS been ahead in video. 

This year, XS pulled even further ahead. 

iPhones have improved but are still behind in photography. That is a consensus opinion just by reading around. IQ is only part of picture (pun intended). The flexibility of the camera (and by extension, the phone itself) also plays a part.

Things like optical zoom, wide angle, macro, low light performance etc.

When the Mate 10 Pro was released the CEO wanted to share some shots from Alaska and compare them to the iPhone X. It wasn't possible because the iPhone X shut down due to the cold. Of course battery life and storage space also have a big role to play.

"The photography site selected iPhone XS over other models in its shortlist, which included the Huawei Mate 20 Pro, Samsung Galaxy S9+ and Sony Xperia XZ3.

Implementation beats specifications every time  in the real world, and no, I have no interest in some anecdote from the Huawei CEO sitting in Anchorage at the airport comparing phones in the cold.

The same site also said the Pixel 3 beat the iPhone XS 'hands down' for photography.

You will get shots from a Mate 20 Pro that simply aren't possible on any iPhone.

The award was for "Smartphone Camera of the Year", not best picture.

"Winner: Apple iPhone XS

The iPhone XS faced fierce competition from the Google Pixel 3 this year, and from a pure still image quality standpoint the Pixel 3 wins hands down. But the iPhone XS takes the top spot overall thanks to a more rounded feature set that includes class-leading video, reliable AF, wide color capture and HDR display of imagery, plus a range of improvements over the original iPhone X.

New in the XS is a larger image sensor in the main camera for better dynamic range and low light performance, and a refined Portrait Mode. In a snub to traditional cameras, the XS allows you to choose your aperture after you shoot - all the way from F1.4 to F16. Cleverly, Apple has modeled the optical properties of real full-frame portrait lenses to accurately - and attractively - simulate 'real' bokeh.

Perhaps the biggest improvement though is Apple's new 'Smart HDR' feature, which takes advantage of the faster processing capabilities of the phone to capture wider dynamic scenes in stills, panoramas, and even in video up to 4K/30p, making the HEVC 4K footage the best we've seen from a smartphone. Pair all this with improved contrast on one of the best displays on the market, with accurate color management under the hood so you get the benefits of the wide gamut display without a loss in color accuracy, and you have one of the best smartphones available today."

There is going to be a shit ton of new multicamera smartphones on the market next year; good luck with that Mate 20 Pro, which I would note, at least made the shortlist for "Smartphone Camera of the Year, but sadly for you, lost to both single camera Pixel 3, and the dual camera iPhone XS.

Definitely true that next year competition will be much fiercer. In three months the P30 Pro will be with us (rumours of x10 optical zoom) and the Mate 30 Pro coinciding with the next iPhone. The Samsungs of course, next Pixels, iPhones and some dark horses (I keep hearing amazing things about the  HTC U12 plus). I think the key is going to be in the flexibility of the camera setups.

Remind me...isn’t Huawei banned from UK, India, Australia, and USA?  I wonder why.  Just saying.  

Get one (if you can)...and get spy on by Chinese and 3rd parties.  Good luck in keeping your financials off the Chinese dark market!

Huawei infrastructure is banned for 5G in US, Australia and New Zealand.

It is banned solely because of US pressure and based on suspicions that have never been tabled via factual information in more than 30 years. 

There are no such suspicions about US interference in communications all over the world. It has been well documented. 

The US doesn't want the Chinese to take the lead in 5G - worldwide - but that is on the cards. The US got caught with its eye off the ball. The result is that the US is trying to pressure other nations into banning Huawei equipment. The latest rumours went so far as to claim the US was offering to pay other countries so that they could stop Huawei.

In spite of the 'suspicions' no evidence has ever been presented and Huawei has rejected the claims.

On a handset level, Huawei has not been banned anywhere. Not even the US but once again, the government has basically put pressure on carriers to not sell Huawei handsets.

In the absence of any real evidence to the contrary, the true reasons for all this are simply protectionist.

Think about it for a moment. Huawei was in a position to clean up in many tenders for 5G equipment. With handsets, they are already the second largest manufacturer worldwide (aiming for top spot) without access to the world's second largest handset market.

Seth2015 said:

I think we're saying the same thing in different ways.

You're saying best overall camera system?
So basically a jack of all trades, master of none?
And I'm saying still camera isn't the best, the video is what pulled it up?

It really does sound like we're saying the same thing.

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-xs-max-review-flagship-imaging-power/

"With a DxOMark Mobile overall score of 105, Apple’s iPhone XS Max achieves an excellent second place in our smartphone ranking and is currently surpassed only by Huawei’s triple-camera juggernaut P20 Pro"

"iPhone XS Max zoom images show coarse luminance noise and less detail than some high-end rivals, such as the Huawei P20 Pro and the Samsung Galaxy Note 9"

"In our comparison, the Huawei P20 Pro captures a touch more highlight detail"

"Both the Huawei P20 Pro and Samsung Galaxy Note 9 colors are little more vibrant and saturated than the color rendering of the XS Max"

"Detail is still good in typical indoor light conditions, but not quite as crisp as with the class-leading Huawei P20 Pro"

"Looking at our night scene comparison below, the levels of captured detail are similar on all three devices, but the Huawei P20 Pro and Samsung Galaxy Note 9 are better able to deal with image noise.

"The Apple device still keeps up in terms of detail in low light (20 lux), but its image output is visibly noisier than that of the Huawei P20 Pro and the Galaxy Note 9"