Madtiger

Seth2015 said:

Madtiger - it isn't fun for me, because frankly you're a little slow and your compression skills are lacking. Let me try again : 

There were two (2) tests that I referred to -

a) 5,000,000+ Instagram / Twitter average Joes ... they're not pixel peepers, they're just 'normal' people ... and they didn't select the iPhone
b) DXOMark which IS aimed at the photographer and do proper, objective tests ... and they didn't select the iPhone

So what I'm getting here is that neither of the above tests, selected the iPhone. In fact, very few tests rate the iPhone above their Android counterparts. They're great cameras and generally comes at #3 - but they can't surpass yet.

Aside from IQ, they lack on flexibly - badly.

But as you keep repeating ... they take great videos! 5 stars ! 

Seth2015 said:

I think it comes down to us Android 'dumbheads' being realists. 

You - on the other hand - come here to pat each other on the back about what a great purchase you've made. You expect that because you paid a premium, you have a premium ... and are shaken when that's not the case. 

Ok - let's go back to the 5 million votes ... non photographers and average Joes simply looking at photos and saying 'ooo ... that looks good'. So these amateurs didn't select the iPhone (in fact, knocked out Round 1). 

Let's do DXO - that's a size aimed at photographers and serious pixel peepers. They go in depth and it's a pretty objective and highly credible site. However, it comes second to the old Huawei P20Pero (even with the shoddy video pulling down the score). 

So both amateurs and photographers don't select the iPhone ? 
You yet you still feel it blows everything out the water ?

Seth2015 said:

I see you're specifically talking about flexibly on the iPhone - I'm not sure if you're serious or not?
You're aware the Huawei has a 16mm / 27mm / 80mm / 130mm (Hybrid) and 270mm  (Digital) zoom ? 
I'm sure you're also aware that the digital zoom is actually fairly usable? 
And you know about a macro mode, right? And 960fps slow motion?
And as was pointed out, the iPhone can't match the Huawei or Pixel 3 low light?

So if we're being objective - it really cannot match the IQ or flexibility. It can - and does - however beat it on the video ... so if that's what this is based on, then congrats. But it becomes a very iffy review if they're scoring it on still images. Sad really - I used to like them.

Seth2015 said:

Madtiger said:

Seth2015 said:

I wonder how much Apple paid for this?

Zero.  Apple is not Android OEMs.  (BTW, DPreview is very authoritative in camera world.)

Don't you then find it interesting that when they run a blind test with 5,000,000+ votes - the iPhone doesn't come anywhere?
And when DXOMark (also a leader in optical tests) does their reviews, the iPhone comes 3 or 4 ?
And that any other review generally ends with the conclusion that although the iPhone is exceptional, it cannot match the Huawei?
Seen the night pictures between the two? They can't even really be compared.

Anyway - it seems really odd that although iPhone hasn't had a winning camera for 2 or 3 years, this crops up. Beating the Pixel is one - but beating the Huawei?