ranman2017

tallest skil said:

ranman2017 said:
Does the user experience suffer? No.

Glad to see you're not just a one-off account. I know multi quoting is a pain here, too. Also, ehh… 

You're denying crap that even huge apple fans don't.

I doubt that, just as I doubt Siri's 'inadequacies'.

No one is being held back.

Being, no. It's just something about a lack of care and consideration put into the software. "It's good enough;" that's all that matters, particularly when the phone isn't the product.

What ARE you talking about?  Oh yeah, tinfoil hat stuff.

Aww, cute. He thinks "conspiracy theory" is a bad word. They've admitted to it themselves.

Look, if the companies had just added a second port

So… NOT done the one thing they explicitly needed to do. Do you understand how irrelevant that statement is? The port's gone. Forever.

I *hate* having to buy a SPLITTER To charge my phone while using headphones.

Hence the push toward wireless charging.

No, Bluetooth is still finding it's way and that just makes it a pain in the ass for everyone.

Boy, I hear that. AirPlay's a much smoother experience (though won't be on headphones anytime soon).

  But yeah in a couple of years, we probably won't care.  How does that help us NOW?

"These olive trees won't bear fruit until I'm 80; how does that help me NOW?" The sickness of instant gratification is why society is in its current mess. Maybe learn from that?

So you DID mock Apple for making a big phone?

Oh yeah.  I still don't like the 5.5. Heck, I don't like the iPad mini. Que sera sera.

Hate to break it to you but even DSLR's have SOFTWARE in them.

Yes; you know what I'm saying here. The old "we'll fix it in software" argument as an excuse for lesser hardware.

Can't concede anyone did any ONE thing better.

I like the… uh… shit, what do I like… Honestly, I have WAY more complaints about what Apple does than I do good things to say about any of their competitors in any field. I guess I like this mouse. It's as simple as you can get–five bucks–but it's one of the best mice I've ever used. Granted, I only use it in Windows–I use the Magic Trackpad in OS X…

StrangeDays said:

ranman2017 said:

Blunt said:

Wow, lots of textbook Androidkiddies troll posts. The truth hurts. Try to be a bit more creative next time. I mean no one is buying things like: My partner ownes an iPhone and my Pixel is a million times better and now she thinks about switching.

you live in a bubble if you think it doesn't happen.  I personally know several switchers who have switched to pixel and not looked back.  Different reasons usually.  Sometimes it's as simple as wanting something 'different'.  Sometimes it's something else, but if you SERIOUSLY Tthink NO ONE is ever wanting to jump from iPhone to Pixel, you live in an alteranate reality.  True a sizeable majority will stay locked into the Apple ecosystem, but there is always a percentage that has no problem hopping the fence.  Deny if you like.

An insignificant number isn't noteworthy. There are also people who drink their own urine believing it to be therapeutic....not many, but they do exist. So what?

StrangeDays said:

ranman2017 said:

Rayz2016 said:

I have to say I'm always surprised by the paper-thin skin of the Android community. The moment they read a negative piece about their beloved platform, they sign up and post a dozen comments (usually without paragraphs or line breaks) arguing with commendable emotion but very little skill. 

What they fail to understand is that sites like this are feeding off their insecurity. If you like Android then just use it;  enjoy it! Invading Mac sites just looks like you lack confidence in your choice of platform and desperately need to convince others. I read a lot of the first or second time posters here, and with every post I thought the same thing: are you trying to convince me, or yourself?

It seems that the rate of Android invaders has stepped up across the internet over the past few weeks. I'm hoping that it's just the usual fear induced by an upcoming iPhone release, and not the symptom of a wider problem. I've only seen this level of invasive desperation twice before:

When Apple was on its knees just before Gil Amelio took over.
When IBM was just about to can OS/2

I'm sure Android isn't on its last legs, but you chaps make it look like it's circling the drain.

The chances are you're doing more harm than good. Daniel's article will be forgotten about in 48 hours; the impression left by rabid Android users will last much longer.

The irony is that the level of stretching that the author has to do to bash every single weakness AND strength of the Pixels makes him look very very insecure with his iPhone.  This is actually kind of pointless.  No one sane believes the Pixel is any real threat to iPhone sales.  Some tiny sliver of iPhone users (some of whom I know) have and will make the jump to Pixel and love it.  but most will stay locked into Apple's ecosystem and won't even consider leaving.  So why so much hate?  I would think the author would be happy that Google is applying competitive pressure.  For all the fanboys out there, NEITHER platform would where it is right now if they weren't competing with each other.  Google is good for Apple.  Apple is good for Google.  We all win.  We could write a VERY long comparison of all the stuff each side 'stole' from the other.  At the end of the day, both companies focus on slightly different things and the phones we have are frickin' awesome as a result.  I contemplated ordering an iPhone 8/X but at the end of the day, the camera and the AI features were what won the day for me. The phone is 'fast enough'.  If I see it lagging and stuttering, I'll be pissed, sure.  But from using the Pixel and knowing many people who've owned it, that seriously has not been a problem, specs or no specs.

The point of the article isn't to convert fandroids to iOS. It's pointing out the fact that the Pixel costs more and offers less than an iPhone 8. Despite this the tech press narrative is that Apple is overpriced. This paradox is newsworthy in an editorial for discussion.

tallest skil said:

ranman2017 said:

Google has basically decided that it wanted to make hardware that was good enough to not hold back its software.  And it's done so.

You were just shown the opposite.

No, actually I wasn't.  The hardware is plenty fast and smooth.  Is it as fast  at a benchmark as an iPhone?  No.  Does the user experience suffer?  No. Because the actual user experiences are smooth and fast in both cases. 

If you actually WATCH The keynote, it's all about AI and Machine Learning.

Huh, who said that a while back, I wonder? Oh, right; Steve Jobs at D… 7, I think it was. Talking about buying the thing that would become Siri.

Yeah, and Siri is consistently losing to Google assistant, and even MacWorld admits it (as do most people who own devices by both companies.  Even Daring Fireball's John Gruber linked to how bad Siri was vs. Google in Android Auto and suggested that the Apple team be FORCED to watch the YouTube video he linked.  You're denying crap that even huge apple fans don't.

If having the absolute fastest piece of hardware with the most expensive components is what you're about, buy an iPhone.

Okay, thanks for admitting that Android is held back by its hardware (and coding).

I never said that it is "held back".  So don't put words in my mouth.  I said the iPhone is faster.  That's all.  No one is being held back.  That's fanboi-ism at its worst.  Good lord, this is like arguing with a child.  The only people that care about the differences in the benchmarks at this point are people like you.  The average person uses the phone.  If it feels fast and smooth, that's not being held back.  I have yet to meet a Pixel user complain that their phone is slow, laggy or that they are being 'held back' and that's the CURRENT generation of hardware.  And you know what, I own an iPad and I can tell you that it DOES go non-responsive to touches.  It DOES lag.  It does freeze up.  It does have crashing apps.  It has all the things I was always told that Apple products don't suffer from, but between picking up my iPad , my Pixel C tablet or my phone, I usually go to my Pixel C because the thing just zips through things faster and with less stuttering than the iPad I have. 

If you want the best AI and integrated ML services, then you're probably gonna buy a Pixel.

Google's all about the integration. Can't have their products doing things without their knowledge, now can they?

What  ARE you talking about?  Oh yeah, tinfoil hat stuff.

BOTH companies were wrong to yank it.

Both Apple and Dell were "wrong" to yank ADB and PS/2 ports, too. In two more years no one will cry over 3.5 mm

Maybe some day.  Look, if the companies had just added a second port so you didn't need a freakin' dongle, I wouldn't really care that much whether it was 3.5mm or a second USB-C or lightning connector.  I *hate* having to buy a SPLITTER To charge my phone while using headphones.  And with Bluetooth, it's still difficult.   Let's  see, do I want APTX, APTX-HD, LDAC , SBC?  Do I want Bluetooth 4.1, 4.2 or 5.0?  And What can I get that's compatible with everything  and won't cost an arm and a leg?  No, Bluetooth is still finding it's way and that just makes it a pain in the ass for everyone.  But yeah in a couple of years, we probably won't care.  How does that help us NOW?

Were you mocking then?  Yeah didn't think so.

Yes. Because hands DON'T go that big. 

So you DID mock Apple for making a big phone?  

since it's all done in software

Ah yes, software camera features–a photographer's dream

Hate to break it to you but even DSLR's have SOFTWARE in them.  The high end photographers will photograph RAW and go to lightroom, but for every one of them, there's a ton more who are taking pictures that write JPG's.  And what's writing those JPG's?  What's deciding how to balance the picture, set sharpness, saturation, etc?  SOFTWARE!!!  If you think it goes straight from the lens to a JPG with no software help...I can't help you.  And you know what?  APPLE frickin' uses software for their camera too.  Their software is  just skewing towards relying more heavily on the hardware with a fixed set of rules for processing the camera.  Now, they can update this software to fix issues and try to help things out, but these things are part of the OS updates, not  so much independent updates like Google will do with its camera.  So yeah, you mock software camera feautres, but your iPhone uses them too.  It's not whether they use software, it's WHAT software do they use.  Google uses computational photography and it is getting  great results, plus it's using ML to get better and smarter all the time.  Apple, as far as anyone knows, isn't doing that as much as just manually tuning things.  The proof is in the results.    I got into it last year with a hardcore professional photographer and iPhone user.  Took her several months, but she ultimately concede the Pixel was taking better shots.  Not that I expect anyone at Apple Insider to concede even this point.  Because what I've seen here with the author and commenters is that Apple MUST BE BETTER AT EVERYTHING.  Can't concede anyone did any ONE thing better.  That is the mark of true blindness.  

StrangeDays said:

RedPandaSloth said:

I didn't read all that, but pretty sure the only time you mentioned the Pixel 2 XL's larger, sharper screen was as a negative, which is ridiculous. The resolution and use of OLED almost certainly makes it better than the iPhone 8 Plus's (I'll admit I haven't used either, but do have both QHD OLED devices and True Tone devices at home and I know which I prefer.) Also, in real world use that 4GB of RAM will likely be absolutely fine. It certainly is on my S7 Edge, a phone which runs basically just as fast as my iPad Pro 10.5 for all intents and purposes. The Pixel 2 XL is overpriced, but this article looks to be seriously biased.

Didn't read the article and its fact-based observations, claims its biased nonetheless. Classic.