qwerty52

cloudguy said:

elijahg said:

Just proves how desperate they are to keep tracking people, and how certain they are that given the choice, people will choose no to being tracked. Which also proves they know they are acting without people's consent, and relying on dishonesty for their entire business model.

None of this is true. Most users either know that they are being tracked or do not care. The only people who do "care" are Apple fans who started caring when Apple told them to in order to paint their own products as "good" and opposing products as "evil", which is something that Apple and Tim Cook never did prior to around 2013 when they finally acknowledged that despite lawsuit threats and other tactics and alleged claims about the imminent rise of Windows Mobile, Android was never going away. You see it constantly in the U.S. media because nearly everyone in the U.S. media uses iPhones, iPads and Macs as their work and personal devices exclusively. You see it a lot in the foreign media because they see Google and Facebook as these massive U.S. tech companies that crush their own ... it is more of an anti-American (and anti-capitalist) thing than specifically against Google and Facebook and trust me they don't like Apple that much either. Were Google and Facebook EU-based companies that gave the EU countries that sort of wealth and power they would love them to death.

Look: Google was tracking people back when their CEOs were on Apple's board of directors and were considered a critical strategic Apple partner against Apple's #1 competitor Microsoft and #2 competitor Amazon. Had Google not invented Android - for their own needs to survive against Microsoft due to their locking Google out of Windows CE which at the time everyone thought would eventually amount to something - and thereby joined Microsoft and Amazon as an Apple competitor, Google would still be Apple's #1 partner with their CEOs still on Apple's board. It was only because A. Google's tracking/data/analytics operation was being used to compete with Apple instead of helping Apple compete with Microsoft and B. Apple finally acknowledged that neither iOS or Windows Mobile was going to kill off Android (and later the Android/ChromeOS combo ... see https://www.geekwire.com/2021/chromebooks-outsold-macs-worldwide-2020-cutting-windows-market-share/) that Google and their business model became "bad." There is no record, evidence or hint that Apple felt this before but quite the contrary.

In other words, Apple is just a company after your money like Microsoft, Google, Sony, Facebook and all the rest. If you think otherwise then you are just believing what you want to believe instead of thinking for yourself. Here's the deal: if Apple actually thought Google was this huge threat to humanity they could crush Google tomorrow by coming out with laptops that start at $450 instead of $999 and smartphones worth having  - the iPhone SE isn't - that start at $300 instead of $800. Had they done this in 2013 it might have killed off Android entirely. Now it is too late - more than 3 billion satisfied customers too late - but the fact that they aren't even trying to deny market share to "evil Google" shows that they don't really believe Google to be evil to begin with. It is all about money for Apple. Always has been.

tommikele said:

qwerty52 said:

jungmark said:

Epic waste of time. 

...... and money!
Sweeney is lucky that he is the CEO of Epic, otherwise he has been fired a long time ago. He is destroying Epic, just because of 

his personal ego ambitions.

Epic has lost much more money to pay lawyers, from missed revenue from AppStore sales and from the loss of customers, than if Epic has kept paying the AppStore commission, like it did it over the last ten years.

Are you their accountant? Unless you are their accountant  or the CEO or a board member you have no idea what the numbers are or how they calculated how much they are willing to invest in following this path. They have obviously calculated the investment to pursue this path is worth the financial risk and if they are successful they see the payoff as huge. If they lose, the cost will be written off against their profits which on an estimated $1 billion of revenue with gross margins over  50% is huge. They can afford to lose. I doubt you have much knowledge about who controls Epic and has the biggest chunk of ownership. Simply put, you have no idea whatsoever what the numbers and returns are either way it comes out.

No company goes into an action like this blind or without the support of its board.

jungmark said:

Epic waste of time. 

MassiveAttack said:

That´s what I said and mean. 

OEMs do not want to be the next Foxconn.

Apple needs to be realistic in degree of control. 

I much prefer a "Apple Car" with their M1-like chips and their battery technologies to generate as high margins as possible.
But that´s what OEMs do not want exactly. 

I hope Apple realizes that Apple will not find any OEMs for their request.