KITA

Aside from the absolutely wild AI + hardware features that Google just showed off (years ahead of Apple here), this is big:

AppleInsider said:

 Meanwhile, main Quest Pro competitor Apple Vision Pro has a field of view of 120 degrees.

Do you have a source for the 120 degrees field of view? I've read a number of journalist hands-on that claim it's only around 100 degrees.

An Apple Developer video also showed only ~100 degrees:

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10073/

At 3:20:



For reference, the Quest Pro has a 106 degree FOV.

9secondkox2 said:

KITA said:

9secondkox2 said:

chasm said:

macxpress said:

So what are the power numbers for this chip? Sure anything can beat M series chips if it uses more power. 

As mentioned in the article, the 7840u was designed for “thin and light” notebooks, ergo machines comparable to the MacBook Air (only with a fan or two). We won’t know stuff like power consumption and fan noise until this chip goes into an actual production model, but AMD is already writing cheques it may not be able to cash in terms of claims about potential performance, because some factors in any real-world comparison are going to rely on machines built by other companies.

And yet that still doesn’t answer the question about power numbers. 

We’ve got Intel chips meant for thin and light notebooks that melt them down. 

Actual, factual hard numbers is what we need to see. 

"Actual, factual hard numbers" are right here.

This is an impressive chip.

Power Mode	Quiet	Performance	Turbo/with PSU	Manual/with PSU
SoC SPL (= PL1)	9 Watts	15 Watts	25 / 30 Watts	15 / 30 Watts
SoC sPPT (= PL2)	14 Watts	20 Watts	30 / 43 Watts	20 / 43 Watts
SoC fPPT (= PL4)	17 Watts	25 Watts	35 / 53 Watts	25 / 53 Watts

Red = Turbo
Green = Performance

Quiet	Performance	Turbo	Turbo battery
CB R15 Multi	1180 points	1727 points	2397 points	2153 points
CB R15 Single	222 points	280 points	280 points	280 points

Whether this chip is in a handheld, laptop or mini desktop, it has a lot of potential.

I'd also note that the ASUS ROG Ally Z1 Extreme is only $699 USD with 16 GB LPDDR5-6400 RAM and 512 GB NVMe PCIe 4.0 SSD. So prices for devices with these chips appear to be quite reasonable.

Not doing extrapolations dude. I have no doubt it’s impressive. So are Intels best chips. 

I meant the actual numbers of the SOCs in question as they ran throughout the “benchmarks.” Actual power and thermals - while generating publicized performance. 

actual numbers for the actual part. Not you math project. 

and the world knows benchmarks are only a small part of the story and can be manipulated by less honest companies. Lots of testing has been done with apple silicon compared to processors that beat it in benchmarks only to see Apple Solicon win out in real world usage. 

If you would take a look, this is a pretty extensive review with quite a few details on the actual performance of the Z1 Extreme (essentially the 7840u). That being said, if you have difficulty understanding what I highlighted in my original post, you're going to get lost pretty quickly. At least the information is there for other users to see.

Here's an initial performance per watt comparison using the Ryzen Z1 Extreme (equivalent to the 7840u, but targeted to handhelds) in the ASUS ROG Ally Z1 Extreme.



ASUS ROG Ally Z1 Extreme Specifications:

AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme
16 GB LPDDR5-6400 (Dual-Channel)
512 GB NVMe PCIe 4.0

Devices:

ASUS ROG Ally Z1 Extreme (Z1 Extreme)
Apple MacBook Pro 13 2022 (M2)

Power consumption comparison using Cinebench R15 / Multi 64Bit (looped):

Z1 Extreme: 2397 @ 53 Watts [Turbo Mode (plugged in) setting] = 45 Points / Watt
Z1 Extreme: 2153 @ 35 Watts [Turbo Mode (battery) setting] = 61 Points / Watt
Z1 Extreme: 1727 @ 25 Watts [Performance Mode setting] = 69 Points / Watt
Z1 Extreme: 1180 @ 17 Watts [Quiet Mode setting] = 69 Points / Watt
M2: 1229 @ 19 Watts = 64 Points / Watt

Source: Notebookcheck

EDIT: Fixed link

EDIT 2: Important detail...

I should add, the TDP values I used in those numbers are based on this:

Power Mode	Quiet	Performance	Turbo/with PSU	Manual/with PSU
SoC SPL (= PL1)	9 Watts	15 Watts	25 / 30 Watts	15 / 30 Watts
SoC sPPT (= PL2)	14 Watts	20 Watts	30 / 43 Watts	20 / 43 Watts
SoC fPPT (= PL4)	17 Watts	25 Watts	35 / 53 Watts	25 / 53 Watts

fPPT being the peak for that setting (very short bursts), so the actual sustained Watts would be lower than the numbers I used in my calculations for each power setting's score. Meaning, the real Points / Watt should be even higher.

Just so everyone is aware, if NUVIA's performance claims are true (keep in mind the big "if"), then Qualcomm will be ahead of the M1 and more likely in a position to compete with an M2 series chip:



Given the reputation of the engineers behind NUVIA and the fact that Qualcomm paid a relatively significant sum for them to fill this exact need, it does give their claim some merit. So don't be surprised if it does end up competing with Apple's late 2022 / early 2023 offerings.

Once again though, we still have yet to see an actual product, so take this with a grain of salt until we do.