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commentzilla said:

KITA said:

commentzilla said:

KITA said:

commentzilla said:

KITA said:

entropys said:

pulseimages said:

I wish Apple would put discrete graphics into it’s smaller MBP, it is a Pro model after all! 

Probably too many thermal and battery issues. Now, if they put an AMD Ryzen in there that might expand the Possibilities.

Razer did a pretty good job putting a GTX 1650 Ti Max-Q in a 3 lbs 13" laptop, and lesser dGPUs like the MX250/MX350 could also work.

Ryzen 4000 U would have made a big difference.

Here's a budget $650 Acer laptop that beats out even the most powerful MBP 13". It's using Ryzen 7 4700U. It has 8 cores / 8 threads + Vega 7 graphics.

  

1065G7 is not the most powerful processor in the 13" MBP 2020. The most powerful is the i7 1068NG7 28W  chip with the Intel Iris Plus. It may still not be as fast but it will be able to sustain a higher speeds with 28W vs the 15W in the Ryzen.

The MBP with the 28W i5 only scored ~1700 points. The i7 is not going to come anything close to the Ryzen 4700U in that test.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb1W_Zbg-FQ

EDIT:

I'd also mention that the 27W Ryzen 7 4800U (8 cores / 16 threads + Vega 8) scores almost 3600:

I never said the 28W i7 would be faster than the 15W 4700U Ryzen in a Cinebench test. I'm just talking about the processor in general under sustained load since I don't play games or use 3D application, so for me this kind of test isn't important.

I more interested in general real world CPU speed, SSD speed and encoding speeds. The Mac certainly has an advantage in the last two because of the T-2 chip (video encoding/decoding and SSD encryption) and Apple's SSD (best in class speeds). But there are also other things you won't find in that $650 laptop like a best in class T-1 chip fingerprint reader, a best in class Trackpad, 4x full-speed Thunderbolt ports and what are apparently some of the best speakers in a slim laptop.

There's a lot more to a laptop than just the CPU/GPU which affect the experience and the price.

Below is from the review on Tom's Hardware... the display just makes it useless for any professional grade video or photography. Despite having an awesome Ryzen processor it doesn't really seem to outpace the Del XPS with a 1056G7 in any meaningful way other than 3D.

You have to compare Apples to Apples when looking at the value of a laptop. That $650 laptop would easily cost $1799 if it had comparable all around specs.

You missed the context of my post to entropys comment. I'm not comparing the Acer laptop to the MBP as an alternative, I'm saying the price as it is relevant in showing what the barrier of entry is for that type of chip. Even as poorly implemented as it is in the Acer, it still comes out with exceptional results. My point is that a MBP 13 (or Surface Book 3 or Dell XPS 13 or Razer Blade Stealth 13, etc.) would be better suited with a Ryzen chip vs a more expensive Intel chip.

Which is why Apple will move to ARM and blow past all of them to include onboard graphics.

Beats said:

Well at least they're not complete knockoffs. Just give it some time though and they'll adopt Apples "ugly" design and toss the Mentos.

Ofer said:

I’d still like to see Apple make a touchscreen device (like an iPad) that could then be docked and perform like a full computer (so a merging of an iPad and a MacBook Pro).