KITA

macplusplus said:

KITA said:

macplusplus said:

foregoneconclusion said:

macplusplus said:  Because that "staff" know how they will be ridiculed if they put the battery benchmark in the article. The battery life is most probably two hours or so, because a gaming laptop is expected to be used mostly plugged in. That one is a laptop for teens, who want it to carry their games alongside when hanging out with friends. Teens like that brand's flashy keyboards and mice too.

Right on the money: it's specifically intended for gaming, so it isn't really a very good comparison to begin with. For example, how many people working in a typical corporate office that use PCs are going to be given a Razer Blade Stealth as their working laptop? I doubt that ever happens. They would get a PC model that was specifically intended for use as a working PC, not a gaming PC. 

The article doesn't even mention the low-res 1080p display of that mid-range model. Moving less pixels than the Retina display of MBP it can barely compete despite the boost from the discrete GeForce MX150. The Macbook Pro moves twice as much pixels as that gamers' machine:  compare 2560x1600 to 1920x1080. And it does that without the boost from a discrete GPU. 

I'm not sure what you mean by "barely compete", the graphics tests are all running at the same resolution. The native display resolution doesn't change that.

The NVIDIA GPU with CUDA is also useful for compute workloads, something none of these benchmarks highlight.

The native display resolution DOES change the performance in real world usage. Yet the MBP performs better than the Razer considering that it doesn't have the discrete GPU.  31075 OpenCL without the discrete GPU versus 47516 with GeForce MX150 means that MBP performs even better.

That must be a new trend, comparing a machine with discrete GPU to a machine without one...

And whatever benchmarks say, the inclusion of a discrete GPU affects the thermal balance and battery life, all other specs being equal. And those are not equal in that comparison, there is a huge difference in display resolutions.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Real world applications have no problem scaling to a defined resolution regardless of the native resolution. 

An OpenCL benchmark doesn't care what the resolution is. The workload is still the same on both machines.

And again, another compute benchmark that doesn't include CUDA, a major plus of having an NVIDA GPU.

macplusplus said:

foregoneconclusion said:

macplusplus said:  Because that "staff" know how they will be ridiculed if they put the battery benchmark in the article. The battery life is most probably two hours or so, because a gaming laptop is expected to be used mostly plugged in. That one is a laptop for teens, who want it to carry their games alongside when hanging out with friends. Teens like that brand's flashy keyboards and mice too.

Right on the money: it's specifically intended for gaming, so it isn't really a very good comparison to begin with. For example, how many people working in a typical corporate office that use PCs are going to be given a Razer Blade Stealth as their working laptop? I doubt that ever happens. They would get a PC model that was specifically intended for use as a working PC, not a gaming PC. 

The article doesn't even mention the low-res 1080p display of that mid-range model. Moving less pixels than the Retina display of MBP it can barely compete despite the boost from the discrete GeForce MX150. The Macbook Pro moves twice as much pixels as that gamers' machine:  compare 2560x1600 to 1920x1080. And it does that without the boost from a discrete GPU. 

I'm not sure what you mean by "barely compete", the graphics tests are all running at the same resolution. The native display resolution doesn't change that.

The NVIDIA GPU with CUDA is also useful for compute workloads, something none of these benchmarks highlight.

macplusplus said:

taugust04_ai said:

I notice there is no battery life comparison - because no one is interested in that feature these days... 

Because that "staff" know how they will be ridiculed if they put the battery benchmark in the article. The battery life is most probably two hours or so, because a gaming laptop is expected to be used mostly plugged in. That one is a laptop for teens, who want it to carry their games alongside when hanging out with friends. Teens like that brand's flashy keyboards and mice too. 

According to Notebookcheck

Razer Blade Stealth (i7-8565U, GeForce MX150)
- WiFi battery test: 9 hours 31 min
- Load test: 2 hours 11 min

Apple MacBook Pro 13 (Mid 2017, i5, without Touch Bar)
- WiFi battery test: 11 hours 23 min
- Load test: 1 hours 18 min

Posted this comparison before, but I'll post it again here:

Mac Mini 2018 - $1,798

- macOS
- Intel Core i7-8700 (6 core)
- Intel UHD Graphics 630
- 16 GB DDR4
- 512 GB MLC SSD
- AppleCare+ (3 years)

Ports
- 1x Ethernet
- 4x Thunderbolt 3
- 1x HDMI 2.0
- 2x USB-A 3.0
- 1x 3.5 mm

Upgradeable parts
- RAM - 2 slots

HP Z2 Mini G4 - $1,826

- Windows / Linux
- Intel Xeon E-2126G (6 core)
- NVIDIA Quadro P1000 4 GB GDDR5
- 16 GB ECC DDR4
- 512 GB TLC SSD
- Onsite warranty (3 years)

Ports
- 1x Ethernet
- 1x Thunderbolt 3
- 3x DisplayPort 1.2
- 4x USB-A 3.0
- 2x USB-C 3.1 Gen2
- 1x 3.5 mm

Upgradeable parts
- CPU - 1 socket
- RAM - 2 slots
- SSD - M.2
- HDD - SATA
- WiFi - M.2
- dGPU - 1 slot

It's clear the Mac Mini isn't competing with what might be regarded as a "pro" device, but it's still a very useful piece of kit for when macOS is required.

They still don't seem too competitive in the mini workstation market, but depending on the use case, it could still be a good option (especially if macOS is needed).

Mac Mini 2018 - $1,798

- macOS
- Intel Core i7-8700 (6 core)
- Intel UHD Graphics 630
- 16 GB DDR4
- 512 GB MLC SSD
- AppleCare+ (3 years)

Ports

- 1x Ethernet
- 4x Thunderbolt 3
- 1x HDMI 2.0
- 2x USB-A 3.0
- 1x 3.5 mm

Upgradeable parts

- RAM - 2 slots

HP Z2 Mini G4 - $1,826

- Windows / Linux
- Intel Xeon E-2126G (6 core)
- NVIDIA Quadro P1000 4 GB GDDR5
- 16 GB ECC DDR4
- 512 GB TLC SSD
- Onsite warranty (3 years)

Ports

- 1x Ethernet
- 1x Thunderbolt 3
- 3x DisplayPort 1.2
- 4x USB-A 3.0
- 2x USB-C 3.1 Gen2
- 1x 3.5 mm

Upgradeable parts

- CPU - 1 socket
- RAM - 2 slots
- SSD - M.2
- HDD - SATA
- WiFi - M.2
- dGPU - 1 slot