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Mike Wuerthele said:

blastdoor said:

My biggest gripe with Geekbench is that it doesn't reflect the effects of processors throttling/turboboosting in response to the thermal environment. It appears to report performance for the best case scenario of no throttling. I can't tell how it handles turboboosting, though. 

According to Geekbench, the pause for thermals is after the conclusion of every test, in between segments, and not while the test is ongoing.

https://www.geekbench.com/doc/geekbench4-cpu-workloads.pdf

Page 5.

More on this whole saga later this week or on Saturday.

There are 50 workloads with a 2 second gap between each. We're talking about ~1 second per workload before a 2 second pause.

Geekbench:

Geekbench inserts a pause (or gap) between each workload to minimize the effect thermal issues have on workload performance. 

The default gap is 2 seconds for both single-core and multi-core workloads.

I'm even more curious about the thermals now.

Dave Lee testing the 15":

Mike Wuerthele said:

In reality, it isn't much, if any, of a limitation with the eGPU technology as a whole.

I think that's the area where I disagree with you, or at least on our level of tolerance. 

For example, if used for gaming or VR applications, a high end eGPU can see a massive loss in performance due the PCIe 3.0 x4 bottleneck in TB3.




While this won't be the case for every application that uses an eGPU, it certainly outlines a weakness with the technology. I should also mention that the bandwidth will shrink even further if the eGPU is feeding back into the internal display.

At the end of the day, it really depends on what the user's planning on doing, some applications might see very little degradation. I think as we see newer more powerful GPUs, this gap will only grow.

It would be great if you could test the thermals and sustained performance.

sflocal said:

Of course, the whiners and Apple-haters are out in full force yet again, with absolutely zero clue what they're talking about.

I bought a new MBP last October, and when I priced out the same configuration for the new one, the price was about the same for what I paid for back then.

That 4TB SSD drive which is faster than just about anything out there in the market is what's boosting the price so high.  Find another laptop with the EXACT SAME configuration and specs, and get back to me.

Haters will put out any kind of garbage propaganda to suit their agenda.

The 4 TB of SSD storage is rare, although people aren't exactly wrong about the price of the regular models.

For example:

2018 XPS 15 (4K version) - $3,299

• Intel Core i9-8950HK
• 32 GB DDR4-2666
• NVIDIA GTX 1050Ti 4 GB
• 2 TB PCIe SSD

2018 MacBook Pro 15 - $4,699

• Intel Core i9-8950HK
• 32 GB DDR4-2400
• AMD Radeon Pro 560X 4 GB
• 2 TB PCIe SSD

That's $1,400 more for the MBP with a much weaker GPU and slightly slower RAM.