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  • Top AI tablets: iPad Pro with M4 versus Microsoft's new Surface Pro

    KITAKITA
    For a lot of cases, these are still very different devices.

    The Surface Pro can run full Windows (with Prism for x86-64 emulation), or Linux, along with the vast ecosystem on both. You can upgrade the SSD, equip it with 32 GB of RAM and output to up to three 4K monitors.

    The iPad has very impressive hardware and a lighter and thinner package, but it can only run iPadOS and its very limited ecosystem and features for productivity or power users.
    tlinnwilliamlondon

  • Microsoft's Copilot PC and the M3 Mac killer myth

    KITAKITA
    An early review is quite positive for both the Surface Laptop and the latest version of Windows on Arm:

    https://signal65.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/NewSurfaceLaptop2024_Signal65LabInsights.pdf

    It's best to read it, but here are a few highlights:

    Scores shown for the M3 MacBook Air 15" relative to that of the Surface Laptop 15" (Surface Laptop = 1.00x)

    CPU Single Thread: 1.15x~1.17x
    CPU Multi Thread: 0.70x~0.85x
    NPU Performance: 0.52x
    GPU Performance: 1.29x~1.31x
    Battery Life: 0.84x

    "The Surface division has always seen its primary competition as the Mac, and the new Surface Laptop and the new Surface Pro tablet absolutely position the Windows ecosystem stiffly against the MacBook line. Microsoft knew that the Snapdragon X Elite and its Arm-based architecture was a pivotal part of its strategy against the Mac, both with high performance Oryon cores and an innovative NPU AI accelerator built in. The M3 is still a great chip, but the new Surface Laptop offers an amazing build quality and physical design, innovative new AI experiences that Mac hasn’t started to compete with yet, and does it all for $200 less than an equivalent MacBook Air.

    Microsoft and the Surface group have created the most impressive new laptop to hit the PC market in a long time. The new Surface Laptop is managing to combine a new processor architecture, an updated emulation layer for Windows on Arm, the new highest performance PC processor for this class of laptop, an OS paradigm shift to AI, and one of the best physical keyboard and trackpad designs into a single package. It manages to be both unique and innovative but also familiar and comfortable for the modern consumer."
    ctt_zhwilliamlondonsphericCheeseFreeze

  • AI computer showdown - MacBook Air vs. Microsoft Surface Laptop Copilot+ PC

    KITAKITA
    For anyone looking for actual benchmarks from a 3rd party:

    https://signal65.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/NewSurfaceLaptop2024_Signal65LabInsights.pdf

    It's best to read it, but here are a few highlights:

    Scores shown for the MacBook Air 15" relative to that of the Surface Laptop 15" (Surface Laptop = 1.00x)

    CPU Single Thread: 1.15x~1.17x
    CPU Multi Thread: 0.70x~0.85x
    NPU Performance: 0.52x
    GPU Performance: 1.29x~1.31x
    Battery Life: 0.84x

    "The Surface division has always seen its primary competition as the Mac, and the new Surface Laptop and the new Surface Pro tablet absolutely position the Windows ecosystem stiffly against the MacBook line. Microsoft knew that the Snapdragon X Elite and its Arm-based architecture was a pivotal part of its strategy against the Mac, both with high performance Oryon cores and an innovative NPU AI accelerator built in. The M3 is still a great chip, but the new Surface Laptop offers an amazing build quality and physical design, innovative new AI experiences that Mac hasn’t started to compete with yet, and does it all for $200 less than an equivalent MacBook Air.

    Microsoft and the Surface group have created the most impressive new laptop to hit the PC market in a long time. The new Surface Laptop is managing to combine a new processor architecture, an updated emulation layer for Windows on Arm, the new highest performance PC processor for this class of laptop, an OS paradigm shift to AI, and one of the best physical keyboard and trackpad designs into a single package. It manages to be both unique and innovative but also familiar and comfortable for the modern consumer."
    brianmwilliamlondon

  • AI computer showdown - MacBook Air vs. Microsoft Surface Laptop Copilot+ PC

    KITAKITA
    KITA said:
    y2an said:
    Given the Surface has a fan, why compare it to the MacBook Airs rather than the MacBook Pros?
    Surface Laptop 15" is $1299 for Snapdragon X Elite with 16 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD

    MacBook Air 15" is $1299 for M3 with 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD
    Microsoft doesn't mention unified memory in its marketing, so it could be DDR for the Surface which is approximately 50% as efficient as unified memory. If so, the RAM difference in this comparison is negligible. I also wonder what the SSD speed is for the Surface. The M3 MBA SSD has a read speed of 2880 and a write speed of 2108. 
    8 GB of RAM is still 8 GB of RAM.

    Apple 8GB

    The NPU may take 8 GB of RAM just for itself at times. 16 GB was chosen as the minimum for a reason.
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  • AI computer showdown - MacBook Air vs. Microsoft Surface Laptop Copilot+ PC

    KITAKITA
    danox said:
    Apple Xed said:
    I look forward to 3rd-party battery test comparisons between the new Surface and MBA. In my experience, Apple's battery life claims are more accurate, but maybe MS is on the up and up here.

    When the third parties get their hands on the Qualcomm device they will find that the numbers have been massaged by Qualcomm one thing that is telling is the wattage used by the Elite SOC when compared to Apples SOC, the Elite is using nearly four times more watts 80 than both M3 and the new M4 which are beasts when it comes to speed/power and low wattage. 80 watts only looks good when compared to Intel or AMD laptops.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-M4-SoC-analysis-AMD-Intel-and-Qualcomm-currently-don-t-stand-a-chance.839332.0.html Apple is even using fewer cores less memory and no fan and that is just the M4 in a iPad Pro what happens when the better Apple M4 SOC'S are in a laptop?

    Notice the 23 comments in the link most are crying..... :smile: 
    The 80 W is not for all configurations. It just has the potential for that.

    The 23 W version is what's in most devices.

    From Anandtech (Oct. 2023)

    "Thin and Light" version has a 23W TDP:

    QSXE

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