majorsl

avon b7 said:

AppleExposed said:

avon b7 said:

rogifan_new said:

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

9secondkox2 said:

fastasleep said:

Now we know where Jony Ive has been working since Thursday.

LOL

But may not be far from the truth in the future. I imagine everyone is going to want to work with him, 

Samsung walking into Jony Ive office, see Huawei already sit there waiting. 

LOL. You obviously haven't seen any recent Samsung or Huawei flagships. Believe me, neither of them need Sir Jony Ive.

In fact, Apple could learn a thing or two from the design of recent flagships from both companies (or even Oppo and OnePlus).

My house is in downtown and every time I’m going out I see advertisings of Samsung and Huawei flagship phones on massive billboards everyday (Oh Oppo too). Tries again. Not everyone has shitty taste in design like yours.

So, what is shitty about the design?

General consensus doesn't share your opinion but if you could detail the shitty design it would at least lend support to your claim.

Many see the S10 Flagships as the best designs on the market right now. P30 Pro is in the same league. 

Far from shitty.

Might not be shitty but it’s amazing how only Apple gets dinged for iterative designs even though every mainstream smartphone these days is iterative.

I think the problem for Apple in this context is twofold.

1. They only release three phones a year (before it was just two) and the older phones stick around in the major lineup.

2. Their designs, when they change, don't change enough. A problem that gets compounded by the older, similar looking, phones in the lineup.

The only way Apple can alter the perception is by making bigger changes and more frequently but doesn't seem likely so the dinging will continue.

As of today we have plenty of design options open to us in the phone market. Full screen sliders, pop-ups, notches big and small, hole punches etc. All manner of finishes and materials and very soon, two different folding designs.

On top of that I've even seen rumours of a Samsung folding phone but Huawei style.

What is kind of curious is that all of those designs look gorgeous too. And not only gorgeous but absolutely gorgeous.

I hope that Apple actually springs a mild surprise with the finish on the 2019 refresh. At the very least.

Yet your knockoffs have been copying Apple since 2008.

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

9secondkox2 said:

fastasleep said:

Now we know where Jony Ive has been working since Thursday.

LOL

But may not be far from the truth in the future. I imagine everyone is going to want to work with him, 

Samsung walking into Jony Ive office, see Huawei already sit there waiting. 

LOL. You obviously haven't seen any recent Samsung or Huawei flagships. Believe me, neither of them need Sir Jony Ive.

In fact, Apple could learn a thing or two from the design of recent flagships from both companies (or even Oppo and OnePlus).

The don't need Jony because they already stole his designs.

Did I miss Apple's folding, sliding, waterdrop, hole punch, gradient, folding, supercharging etc options?

If not, how did they get copied from Apple and why is Apple rumoured to be licencing almost 800 Huawei patents?

Of course speaking of patents, Huawei registered more than any other company on the planet last year (WIPO). It also consistently invests more in R&D than Apple.

Do you want me to go through the list of what's missing on the inside of iPhones? I think you don't but I'm talking design in a pretty general sense here.

I understand that you automatically label any non-Apple phone as a 'copy/knockoff' but those labels fall off under their own weight.

Even you should be able to acknowledge (if only begrudgingly) that series 6,7 and 8 phones didn't move the needle that much and some iPhone users were also commenting on the staleness of the lineup. So far (too soon to know, though), the X series phones have fallen into a similar pattern.

I am simply suggesting a bit more effort on the design.

Unfortunately, you're missing the golden rules of a few posters here:

1) Apple did it first.
2) Apple did not do it first, but now does it better.
3) Apple isn't doing it, so it is inferior and not worth the time.

Once you get into this mindset, you see how invented words like iknockoffs get thrown around.  I'd be lying if I said in my early days of supporting Apple, I didn't think these exact same rules, and even more so when working for an Authorized Dealer during/out of college for awhile.  The KoolAid was sweet and in my favorite cherry flavor!  I would have been one of these posters, no doubt, and taking it personally if someone slandered my favorite brand.

I'm older and been around so much tech I can appreciate "other things", like you seem to, for the good points they are and the jobs they can do that my (still favorite) fruit company cannot or won't.

My OnePlus 7 Pro is a marvel to me.  Besides my Macs, it is the best piece of tech I've ever owned for it's use-case.  It is the phone I've been waiting for, for a long time. Going back to my Galaxy or even an iPhone would be a serious downgrade to me.

sflocal said:

arthurba said:

Ok - I’ve long had a gripe with this behaviour from Apple - it’s their Achilles Heel. 

I first encountered it years ago with iTunes. Apple would release the latest iTunes and it would run on/support 7 year old Windows XP, but only run on the last 2 or 3 Mac OS X releases. 

iTunes today is worse - the latest release will run only on Mojave, but it runs on Windows 8 (an 8 year old OS) just fine. 

Now they block lock access to apple.com for 5 year old MacOS releases, but not 8 year old Windows releases. 

Apple make their money from hardware - so they do everything in their power to get you to upgrade your hardware.  I get that - and I prefer it than buying from an advertising company who do everything in their power to get you to give up personal information and watch adverts.  But it’s the choice between two evils,  not the choice between good and bad. 

If apple would just update the SSL libraries on those old MacOS releases then they would be secure for web browsing.

You folks just don’t give up do ya?

Where is this user factually wrong?  I've run into this myself.

I wonder about the ability to get older macOS releases up-to-date after an Internet Recovery, since you're likely to get the OS that came with the machine and not the newest that it is capable of supporting.  If you can't hit the App Store to get the latest OS you can run because your OS is too old after a restore, that kinda sucks.

Obviously, most here are smart enough to keep a download of the full installer that can be made into a bootable USB, but the average person off the street might just give up.

Do you have an idea about this to enlighten us and add productively to the discussion?

michelb76 said:

javacowboy said:

How will this impact open source software, homebrew, etc?

Homebrew and other unix utilities are not 'Mac apps, installer packages, and kernel extensions' so they should work just fine.

There are plenty of Open Source Software examples that are indeed Apps and some use Installer Packages.  Many in the hard sciences are not commercial products, but are release by researchers, universities and the community at large.  That's just an example of one segment.

mjtomlin said:

majorsl said:

frantisek said:

iPhone users does not want unsecured App source and insecure platform. Only way to manage is current system of one store with apps checked by Apple.Period.

Pricing and other things are different topic.

It is not true monopoly as anyone can leave to Android. It would be good if one can keep paid Apps across platform if is moving.

Let me fix this for you: "I don't want unsecured App sources and a insecure platform."  That's what you want.  Please don't make a blanket statement for all iOS users.  I have 2 iPads and I would love to have alternatives.

Even if this were to happen (and I doubt it), no one would be twisting anybody's arm to use another store.  You could happily live in the AppStore's walled, and semi-safe, garden and others could leave the gates to explore - maybe with a sign on the way out warning of dangers.

I don't understand why consumers, particularly Apple consumers, rail so hard against choice. No one would be forcing "you" to choose to use alternatives.

If you want alternatives, download the developer tools and write your own apps. I do. Why do you think you're entitled to have something be made available to you?

When the gates are opened, security is compromised. It's just that simple. You may not care. But many of us who use iOS devices, certainly do.

Apple sells iOS as secure and private. By allowing, and not being able to control, 3rd party app stores, their ENTIRE branding is gone. Apple can no longer make those selling points. Points that set them apart from their competition. And in a day and age were privacy is being trampled all over by other companies, you really think it's in everyone's best interest to force Apple away from their ability to control and maintain users' privacy?

Exactly, I don't care and why do you? The act of having other App Stores available does not compromise your security. You can keep your apple-colored classes on and live in the garden. Apple can tell people their ecosystem is secure (well, mostly) and pop up a big warning if another store is used.

Has the macOS brand been destroyed by "the sky is falling" warnings because people can install apps from anywhere if they so choose? Not at all. In fact, it is still regarded as one of the safest OS to use.  Oh, and they even warn you if an app isn't from a verified developer.  No reason they can't do that for iOS if they choose.

Choice is not entitlement. I don't think that word means what you think it means. I have a couple of iPads, but due specifically to the AppStore restrictions, my family uses Android as our choice.  We have for years and years with zero issues and none of the "omg, you're gonna get so many bad things happening" FUD that is commonly evoked here.

rogifan_new said:

gatorguy said:

OMG! It's about time, Google is plainly doomed now.

Desperation has set in, so much so that they're now deciding to offer smartphones at multiple price points with minor differences in capabilities and a mid-cycle release. What's wrong with just a couple of flagships, same time every year? Who does this, offering cheaper devices alongside "expensive", unless they're failing?

DED is obviously worried this device could cut into iPhone sales. It’s getting decent reviews (a good phone at a very good price) and will be on more carriers. There would be no reason to give it attention otherwise.

It's very decent for my teenagers who want the camera quality of a higher end phone, but dad doesn't want the expense. Mine would be very, very happy with this phone, and pending the review it'll be my choice on their upgrade plan.