majorsl

michelb76 said:

javacowboy said:

How will this impact open source software, homebrew, etc?

Homebrew and other unix utilities are not 'Mac apps, installer packages, and kernel extensions' so they should work just fine.

There are plenty of Open Source Software examples that are indeed Apps and some use Installer Packages.  Many in the hard sciences are not commercial products, but are release by researchers, universities and the community at large.  That's just an example of one segment.

It would be awesome if AI did an article series for equivalent to Adobe [product name] with both paid and open source alternatives. Our University got the same letter and we have Adobe on so much, it'd be nice to try and get our users to try alternatives.

avon b7 said:

AppleExposed said:

avon b7 said:

rogifan_new said:

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

9secondkox2 said:

fastasleep said:

Now we know where Jony Ive has been working since Thursday.

LOL

But may not be far from the truth in the future. I imagine everyone is going to want to work with him, 

Samsung walking into Jony Ive office, see Huawei already sit there waiting. 

LOL. You obviously haven't seen any recent Samsung or Huawei flagships. Believe me, neither of them need Sir Jony Ive.

In fact, Apple could learn a thing or two from the design of recent flagships from both companies (or even Oppo and OnePlus).

My house is in downtown and every time I’m going out I see advertisings of Samsung and Huawei flagship phones on massive billboards everyday (Oh Oppo too). Tries again. Not everyone has shitty taste in design like yours.

So, what is shitty about the design?

General consensus doesn't share your opinion but if you could detail the shitty design it would at least lend support to your claim.

Many see the S10 Flagships as the best designs on the market right now. P30 Pro is in the same league. 

Far from shitty.

Might not be shitty but it’s amazing how only Apple gets dinged for iterative designs even though every mainstream smartphone these days is iterative.

I think the problem for Apple in this context is twofold.

1. They only release three phones a year (before it was just two) and the older phones stick around in the major lineup.

2. Their designs, when they change, don't change enough. A problem that gets compounded by the older, similar looking, phones in the lineup.

The only way Apple can alter the perception is by making bigger changes and more frequently but doesn't seem likely so the dinging will continue.

As of today we have plenty of design options open to us in the phone market. Full screen sliders, pop-ups, notches big and small, hole punches etc. All manner of finishes and materials and very soon, two different folding designs.

On top of that I've even seen rumours of a Samsung folding phone but Huawei style.

What is kind of curious is that all of those designs look gorgeous too. And not only gorgeous but absolutely gorgeous.

I hope that Apple actually springs a mild surprise with the finish on the 2019 refresh. At the very least.

Yet your knockoffs have been copying Apple since 2008.

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

9secondkox2 said:

fastasleep said:

Now we know where Jony Ive has been working since Thursday.

LOL

But may not be far from the truth in the future. I imagine everyone is going to want to work with him, 

Samsung walking into Jony Ive office, see Huawei already sit there waiting. 

LOL. You obviously haven't seen any recent Samsung or Huawei flagships. Believe me, neither of them need Sir Jony Ive.

In fact, Apple could learn a thing or two from the design of recent flagships from both companies (or even Oppo and OnePlus).

The don't need Jony because they already stole his designs.

Did I miss Apple's folding, sliding, waterdrop, hole punch, gradient, folding, supercharging etc options?

If not, how did they get copied from Apple and why is Apple rumoured to be licencing almost 800 Huawei patents?

Of course speaking of patents, Huawei registered more than any other company on the planet last year (WIPO). It also consistently invests more in R&D than Apple.

Do you want me to go through the list of what's missing on the inside of iPhones? I think you don't but I'm talking design in a pretty general sense here.

I understand that you automatically label any non-Apple phone as a 'copy/knockoff' but those labels fall off under their own weight.

Even you should be able to acknowledge (if only begrudgingly) that series 6,7 and 8 phones didn't move the needle that much and some iPhone users were also commenting on the staleness of the lineup. So far (too soon to know, though), the X series phones have fallen into a similar pattern.

I am simply suggesting a bit more effort on the design.

Unfortunately, you're missing the golden rules of a few posters here:

1) Apple did it first.
2) Apple did not do it first, but now does it better.
3) Apple isn't doing it, so it is inferior and not worth the time.

Once you get into this mindset, you see how invented words like iknockoffs get thrown around.  I'd be lying if I said in my early days of supporting Apple, I didn't think these exact same rules, and even more so when working for an Authorized Dealer during/out of college for awhile.  The KoolAid was sweet and in my favorite cherry flavor!  I would have been one of these posters, no doubt, and taking it personally if someone slandered my favorite brand.

I'm older and been around so much tech I can appreciate "other things", like you seem to, for the good points they are and the jobs they can do that my (still favorite) fruit company cannot or won't.

My OnePlus 7 Pro is a marvel to me.  Besides my Macs, it is the best piece of tech I've ever owned for it's use-case.  It is the phone I've been waiting for, for a long time. Going back to my Galaxy or even an iPhone would be a serious downgrade to me.

I'm in IT at a small College. One of the things we use the Mac minis for are to offer a people a choice between Windows and Mac for the lower-end tier of users. We can standardize on displays with both platforms and, because of the lower cost of the mini, it allows the users choice which we believe in.  The price is on par with similar Windows systems and the budget conscious administration gives it a "pass".  The target user is typically using Word, Excel, PowerPoint and some low end desktop publishing.

We literally have 100s of minis deployed this way, our IT workload is almost non-existent with them, we manage them with free, open source tools, and (again) our users get choice.

If Apple abandons this line, there is no way we can justify much more expensive iMacs in this use case. It'd be a pity because I know Apple has gained a lot of home "switchers" with us doing this.

lkrupp said:

dysamoria said:

lkrupp said:

Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that these neckbeards cobble together a gizmo that nears the performance of the Mac Pro with similar specs. [...]

You’re calling Linus a neckbeard? Does that term not actually require a neck beard anymore??

What? Is he some kind of techie god to you? He’s a YouTube asshole who makes money creating videos in which he claims to be an expert on everything. He claims he can always do it better, faster than anyone else and his target is usually Apple. Why Apple? Because assholes like him make lots of money trashing Apple on YouTube.

Good lord you're full of it, aren't you?  He's got 4,600+ videos.  Go see how many are about Apple.  As Apple would say, "a very small percentage."  Careful... your bias is showing. Again.

rogifan_new said:

dysamoria said:

rogifan_new said:

It seems like there is legitimate criticism that Apple left out a segment in the middle that doesn’t want a sealed all in one design but the newest Mac Pro is way more than they need or are willing to spend. That market is probably bigger than the market for this device but those users don’t have enough clout to get on Apple’s radar.

Look, another person who gets it! YAY, for the sensible Rogifan_new!!

Most of the complaints I’m seeing are not from people who don’t have a clue and would never need to use a machine like this but people who think it’s too much machine but the iMac Pro/Mac mini aren’t enough (or they don’t want an all in one). I think they have a point but I’m doubtful Apple is going to give them what they want.

Yes. I want those slots and I want the options for upgrades. I don't have a ton of money to spend all at once, so I've always gotten an expandable computer I could afford and added on as cash flow permits.  Look at what people have done and are still doing with the original Mac Pro.  Some have upgraded that machine to just shy of the performance of an iMac Pro, along with newer items like USB-C and even M2 SSDs thanks to PCIe, in a machine from 2009.  That's pretty impressive and no iMac from the era could achieve that.  I want longevity.  That doesn't mean I'm cheating Apple or not buying Apple, just as not as often as THEY want and more importantly, what I can afford.

So, I agree with dysamoria - there are those who want this and the number of these professionals who are showing off their upgrades for it, or just doing Hackintosh builds illustrates that point.  I also agree that Apple seems to simply have abandoned that segment or thinks the iMac is "good enough."

What I don't get is when someone like "us" comes here with this opinion, and being Apple fans just like everyone else, a certain core group of users lets the insults fly as if they are personally offended members of the design team at Apple.  I don't get it.

Soli said:

majorsl said:

Soli said:

FileMakerFeller said:

Soli said:

dysamoria said:

lkrupp said:

Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that these neckbeards cobble together a gizmo that nears the performance of the Mac Pro with similar specs. [...]

You’re calling Linus a neckbeard? Does that term not actually require a neck beard anymore??

1) Linus uses macOS with off the shelf HW, not Linux? Can you back that up?

2) I don't see anyone referring to him as "neck" anything.

<snipped pic>

You've posted an image of Linus Torvalds, creator of Linux, not Linus Sebastian, creator of Linus Tech Tips.

The term "neckbeard" used to be literally applicable to a certain type of computer enthusiast, describing what was viewed as poor grooming habits. These days, poor grooming habits remain but are somewhat different to those in evidence when the term was originally applied. So, no, you don't need to actually have a beard to be described as a "neckbeard" any more.

My bad, but my point still holds regarding a Linux user who is desperate to use macOS.

I think you need to go watch some Linus Tech Tips videos and come back before you look even more foolish.  I'd say he leans more towards Windows and the majority of his 4.600 videos have nothing to do with Apple so he's hardly "desperate to use macOS."  He and his crew do it because they can and it's an interesting techie thing to try, along with a lot of other weird tinkering they sometimes try (and fail) with other products.

1) Oh, they do because they can and yet you are arguing that Apple needs to make a special Mac… for Linux users? That makes perfect sense. :eyeroll:

2) It's amazing how you people can be so hateful of a company while at the same time begging that they offer more ways to include you, especially at their own expense.

3) While I usually don't care to see Apple close doors on any users—even the Hackintosh community—in this case I can't wait for them to make macOS secure enough that their T-series chip forces the "Mac Sux Linux Rulz" jump through actual hopes to install the OS. I remember when building a Hackintosh took actual talent, not just buying some off the shelf HW for which there were plenty of decent drivers written.

I think you need to re-read what I wrote slowly and carefully.

1) What the hell?  I have never said that.  Ever.  You still seem confused about people named Linus and their relationship to Linux.  I can't solve that synaptic disconnect for you.  I'm sorry.  Perhaps a neurologist would be beneficial to you.

2) I'm a customer.  Voicing what I'd prefer and want is perfectly acceptable.  They can listen if there are enough of us ... or not.  feedback@apple.com is a valid email address.  You don't get to tell me what products I, or anyone, should like or dislike.  You want to piss away your hard earned cash on sealed units when a minor upgrade down the road could add years to it, hey, go for it.  There once was room for both options.

3) The Hackintosh has very little to do with Linux.  You seem to think Linux is somehow "under" what is running a hackintosh.  While some can run macOS in a VM with Linux as a host (that was the way they first did it in the video), it typically isn't done that way.  Hackintoshes talk directly to the hardware as if they were a Mac.  They probably have inspiration for the bootloader from Linux, but once that awesome macOS starts, it is macOS.  Had you made it 25% into the video, you'd know this.  I can't help you with your attention span either.  Sorry.

1STnTENDERBITS said:

majorsl said:

Soli said:

majorsl said:

Soli said:

FileMakerFeller said:

Soli said:

dysamoria said:

lkrupp said:

Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that these neckbeards cobble together a gizmo that nears the performance of the Mac Pro with similar specs. [...]

You’re calling Linus a neckbeard? Does that term not actually require a neck beard anymore??

1) Linus uses macOS with off the shelf HW, not Linux? Can you back that up?

2) I don't see anyone referring to him as "neck" anything.

<snipped pic>

You've posted an image of Linus Torvalds, creator of Linux, not Linus Sebastian, creator of Linus Tech Tips.

The term "neckbeard" used to be literally applicable to a certain type of computer enthusiast, describing what was viewed as poor grooming habits. These days, poor grooming habits remain but are somewhat different to those in evidence when the term was originally applied. So, no, you don't need to actually have a beard to be described as a "neckbeard" any more.

My bad, but my point still holds regarding a Linux user who is desperate to use macOS.

I think you need to go watch some Linus Tech Tips videos and come back before you look even more foolish.  I'd say he leans more towards Windows and the majority of his 4.600 videos have nothing to do with Apple so he's hardly "desperate to use macOS."  He and his crew do it because they can and it's an interesting techie thing to try, along with a lot of other weird tinkering they sometimes try (and fail) with other products.

1) Oh, they do because they can and yet you are arguing that Apple needs to make a special Mac… for Linux users? That makes perfect sense. :eyeroll:

2) It's amazing how you people can be so hateful of a company while at the same time begging that they offer more ways to include you, especially at their own expense.

3) While I usually don't care to see Apple close doors on any users—even the Hackintosh community—in this case I can't wait for them to make macOS secure enough that their T-series chip forces the "Mac Sux Linux Rulz" jump through actual hopes to install the OS. I remember when building a Hackintosh took actual talent, not just buying some off the shelf HW for which there were plenty of decent drivers written.

I think you need to re-read what I wrote slowly and carefully.

1) What the hell?  I have never said that.  Ever.  You still seem confused about people named Linus and their relationship to Linux.  I can't solve that synaptic disconnect for you.  I'm sorry.  Perhaps a neurologist would be beneficial to you.

2) I'm a customer.  Voicing what I'd prefer and want is perfectly acceptable.  They can listen if there are enough of us ... or not.  feedback@apple.com is a valid email address.  You don't get to tell me what products I, or anyone, should like or dislike.  You want to piss away your hard earned cash on sealed units when a minor upgrade down the road could add years to it, hey, go for it.  There once was room for both options.

3) The Hackintosh has very little to do with Linux.  You seem to think Linux is somehow "under" what is running a hackintosh.  While some can run macOS in a VM with Linux as a host (that was the way they first did it in the video), it typically isn't done that way.  Hackintoshes talk directly to the hardware as if they were a Mac.  They probably have inspiration for the bootloader from Linux, but once that awesome macOS starts, it is macOS.  Had you made it 25% into the video, you'd know this.  I can't help you with your attention span either.  Sorry.

You should stop brother.  Soli probably still thinks Torvald's and Sebastian are the same Linus.  At some point he'll realize that he's the only person talking about Linux... and that he actually brought it up.  By that point, the universe will have ended in heat death.  You're literally in a conversation with a guy who has no clue what's going on in the conversation.

...he seems to bring things up that I said that I never said or meant.  It's like I'm watching a fiction novel being written about myself.  I should just give him my password so he can carry on arguing with... "me."  It'd be quite a time saver!

FileMakerFeller said:

Soli said:

dysamoria said:

lkrupp said:

Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that these neckbeards cobble together a gizmo that nears the performance of the Mac Pro with similar specs. [...]

You’re calling Linus a neckbeard? Does that term not actually require a neck beard anymore??

1) Linus uses macOS with off the shelf HW, not Linux? Can you back that up?

2) I don't see anyone referring to him as "neck" anything.

<snipped pic>

You've posted an image of Linus Torvalds, creator of Linux, not Linus Sebastian, creator of Linus Tech Tips.

The term "neckbeard" used to be literally applicable to a certain type of computer enthusiast, describing what was viewed as poor grooming habits. These days, poor grooming habits remain but are somewhat different to those in evidence when the term was originally applied. So, no, you don't need to actually have a beard to be described as a "neckbeard" any more.

Pretty much says all you need to know about the cultists, doesn't it?  Stay in the compound and don't look outside.  Not knowing which Linus, really?