Leadeater

Soli said:

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Jason_D said:

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foggyhill said:

Jason_D said:

What i found rather funny is that shortly before i'd seen Linus post this video i had been having my morning coffee with a co-worker and for whatever reason i had been telling him about Linus' original video reviewing the IMac Pro (Which obviously lead to it's damage). 1 of the points he made, was that there is no video in. So down the line when you want to upgrade you can't even get extra use out of the machine by using is as a 2nd monitor. This is a rather deliberate choice by Apple to create Forced Obsolescence. It's rather shady and definitely Anti-Consumer. This issue he's now having has the same smell of even more Forced Obsolescence.

Another load of BS, go back to PC land, you never owned a Mac in your own damn life and just spouting to hear yourself talk.

Just because you don't like what i said, doesn't make it BS. It was the truth and a very good point that Linus originally made about the product. 

Attacking someones credentials as opposed to the content of what was said is a terribly weak way to try and put forth an argument. I assume you have never made a single comment about any product on earth that you have never owned, that seems just a little unlikely.

You are correct. It's not BS because he didn't like you said, it's BS because you're claiming that including a display in a product is "shady and definitely Anti-Consumer." Not liking what you said is a result of you writing a bunch of BS.

You tried to compare an extremely pricey desktop PC to an apple watch, apples to oranges, to try and make a point that fits your own narrative. Sooooo who's talking BS? haha

Oh, so this is now an issue about price? So you think the $10k gold Apple Watch (which far exceeds the base price of the iMac) should have a removable display but not he $350 Apple Watch Sport? Is that the narrative you now want to press about which CE products should be required to have certain components removable so they can be placed onto other products in the future they're above some price ceiling that you decide on a whim? Where would a MacBook Pro fall since they start and stop within the range of an iMac?

You keep saying 'removable'. Please re-read my comment before making inaccurate assertions. And the apple watch stuff is just sillyness and you know it.

Linus' critique was that a display input would allow you to use it as a standalone monitor once you've moved from from the current internals. You could use it as a 2nd monitor to go with your new IMac for example.

Oh, I think I got it now. You think it's "shady and definitely Anti-Consumer" that Apple isn't building inputs on all their devices. So, I should be able to say, plug in an otherwise defunct PowerBook from 1995 into my MacBook Pro and use it as an external display? Well that sure seems useful and easy to engineer¡ What could go wrong? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

You do realise that people can have differing opinions right? I get that you disagree and that's fine. But trying to make false analogies and misquotations to try and discredit someone else's opinion is really silly. Linus' original video was actually pretty fair and in general he doesn't play favourites, he's ripped a number of manufacturers on all sides of the fence. No one is without sin, fair critiques is how things get better for everyone.

My comments have nothing to do with Linus. My comments are about your ridiculous claims.

As for your "do realise that people can have differing opinions" comment, I'll let Patton Oswalt explain that to you…

You didn't even read what i originally said properly since you went off on a wild goose chase about removable displays. So perhaps try and have an adult conversation with someone before calling them ridiculous

Oh, I read it, and I've addressed it. I tried to give you an out on your ridiculous statements about it being "shady and definitely anti-consumer" that Apple doesn't have display inout ports on all their devices that have embedded displays, but you just keep knocking on that door. Of course, you'll want to say you're only talking about the iMac, but that misses the point of your odd declaration that Apple is shady for building devices that do specific things.

Standard iMacs can be used in Target Display Mode which is nice when you want an extra monitor or a larger one for a MacBook/MacBook Pro or when the iMac becomes performance obsolete and you get a newer faster one. The iMac Pro does not support this, I think this is a valid complaint about the iMac Pro.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht204592

More BS. Even your link gives you away as it shows that TDM hasn't been supportable on any 5K iMac. That's 4 years and yet you've framed as being specific to the iMac Pro and without mentioning the display interconnect  issue for TDM. Shameful. And that's not even considering the purpose of TDM.

I know it's also not supported on the 5K iMacs and newer non 5K, it's a legitimate complaint about those too. This however is a discussion about an iMac Pro. And yes that is a purpose of TDM, that is a very common usage of it. I even understand why it couldn't be supported by the 5K iMacs when they came out but for newer ones with faster Thunderbolt standard there is no technical reason to not allow it again. Having it supported on one screen model but not another is confusing for customers so not allowing it on both while that is on a technical level not possible is fine I agree with that.

And if you must attack my credibility on the matter I have worked in the IT industry for many years, also as a support contractor, and administered networks with hundreds of iMacs and MacBook Pros and had to repair them and diagnose issues with the devices. TDM is useful for this for this process, as I hope you know.

Most of the Mac users at my current work place have iMacs and MacBook Pros and use the iMac as a secondary screen all the time.

It's a feature I have used a lot as well, this is a legitimate complaint as people have used it and now they cannot. I'd appreciate if you'd tone it down a bit.