JustSomeGuy1

mike fix said:

JustSomeGuy1 said:

mike fix said:

I used to buy the latest Mac when they came out and it was affordable for the performance.  Simply do yourself a favor and price out the gear that comes with the $6k machine and you'll quickly see you can insanely more power for the same money.  

[parts list, including:

$500 LGA 3647 motherboard
$3100 Xeon W-3175x skylake 28 core processor]

Yeah, you'll need to throw another few hundred bucks at it for cooling, etc.

I think we all know that for the 28 core processor in the mac pro, that machine is going to cost well over $10k, most likely over $15k.  

Even dumber is the fact that Apple could have gone dual socket.  Which for the PC you can, pretty much only doubling the price for the processor and you'd have 56 cores!  

For $9500 you'd have 56 cores!  Stack in a few more of those NVIDIA cards are you'd be destroying worlds for a 3rd of the cost of an equivalent Mac Pro.

There's a huge amount of ignorance on display here, and I haven't the energy to go through it all. But here are a few high points:

- Your chip is previous-generation. You'd need the X3275M to match (almost) Apple's 28-core chip. That one costs about $7500.

- Good luck finding a motherboard that supports 1.5 (or 2?) TB of RAM in 12 slots at that price. And that has 10GbE (much less two). And thunderbolt. And eight PCIe slots and a PCIe switch chip (which is insanely expensive). Etc. If you can even get close, you're probably looking at $1500-$2000.

But the big LOL moment was your cutely naive "oh they could have stuck two CPUs in there". Know how much *those* cost? Because you can't use a Xeon W in a dual-socket system. The cheapest 28-core lists at $8700 but it's substantially slower than the Mac's 28-core CPU. To get something close (200MHz higher base clock, but 400MHz lower boost) you need to spend over $13k. Per chip, not per pair. So even if all you were going to do with those chips was hold them in your hands and dream of fast machines, it would still set you back >$26,000. Thousands more if you wanted them to work in an actual machine. You're not getting 56 cores for $9500.

Of course any post that includes a parts list is completely missing the point of this machine.

So. Less talking, more reading.

The 3275w has an Intel recommended customer price of $4,449.00.

The 3275w is an LGA 3647 socket, which there are several dual socket PC motherboards available that support 12 dimm slots.  

If you want to compete on rendering where you buy mac pros and I buy PCs, we'll see who finishes fastesr and cheaper.  

I'm not saying the Mac Pro isn't a great machine, it obviously is (and it better be for that price), it's just extremely overpriced for the majority of pros and their needs. 

mike fix said:

I used to buy the latest Mac when they came out and it was affordable for the performance.  Simply do yourself a favor and price out the gear that comes with the $6k machine and you'll quickly see you can insanely more power for the same money.  

[parts list, including:

$500 LGA 3647 motherboard
$3100 Xeon W-3175x skylake 28 core processor]

Yeah, you'll need to throw another few hundred bucks at it for cooling, etc.

I think we all know that for the 28 core processor in the mac pro, that machine is going to cost well over $10k, most likely over $15k.  

Even dumber is the fact that Apple could have gone dual socket.  Which for the PC you can, pretty much only doubling the price for the processor and you'd have 56 cores!  

For $9500 you'd have 56 cores!  Stack in a few more of those NVIDIA cards are you'd be destroying worlds for a 3rd of the cost of an equivalent Mac Pro.

Mike Wuerthele said:

JustSomeGuy1 said:

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- Max RAM is 1.5TB, not 2TB. (Tells us something interesting about the Xeons being used, they're the first M series)

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[Graphic showing 2TB max RAM]

The above graphic is from Apple's specs on the Mac Pro at Apple.com