morgle

ericthehalfbee said:

morgle said:

ericthehalfbee said:

morgle said:

ericthehalfbee said:

gatorguy said:

ericthehalfbee said:

gatorguy said:

ericthehalfbee said:

gatorguy said:

bb-15 said:

saltyzip said:

I'm sure all that extra performance makes Facebook, WhatsApp and phone calls rock, not!

The value of speed in a smartphone includes; 1. Intensive games like Fortnite. 

I think @ericthehalfbee is actually testing how much  better the gaming performance of Fornite is on his iPhone compared to a couple of other higher-end Android phones. 

To really test performance you need to perform tasks where the completion time can be measured. Like rendering a video, applying complex effects to a photo or recalculating a complex spreadsheet.

But you have no way of comparing those as you've said before and you were the one that offered to if presented with some other apps that COULD be tested.  I offered two that my son knew both he and his friends have played in competitions on both Android and iOS. I'm no gamer myself, nor someone who would do their photo processing on a smartphone for that matter.

No doubt there may be some smallish percentage of users like you who really do their "complex photo processing" on their smartphone or do "complex spreadsheet computations" on one, but wouldn't gaming  be a far more common use (perhaps THE most common use based on app store revenues) and and a more insightful comparison? Personally I think it would be a great real-life everyday measuring stick. Just my .02

But if you can't compare 'em yourself,  fair enough. While AI found the X and Note were a toss-up (thanks for that link) the dropped frames on the Note compared to the XS is certainly a plus in Apple's favor. 

EDIT: A cursory look on YouTube indicates game loading on Battlefields and Fortnite is much faster on the XS compared to the Galaxy, and by a significant amount. Game play itself is reported as pretty much on par with each other. But again I'm no gamer so cannot comment from personal experience. 

Thats not what I said. I said there are no high-end Apps on Android to allow a comparison against iOS equivalents.


So I’ll ask again: Can any of you Android users select some Apps for me to compare to make this fair?

Huh? I'm pretty sure I just gave you two to test for yourself: Battlefield and Fortnite. The same ones I gave you exactly a week ago but you never got around to. 

Huh? I’m pretty sure I....

- Already stated why games are a poor example as results are subjective.
- Linked to the AI article on Fortnite so there’s no need to repeat a test someone has already done anyway.
- Have been the person on AI to repeatedly ask others for Apps to compare, making countless others here the ones who “never got around to it”.

Don’t try to turn this back on me.

YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Slack, Evernote, Trello, Maps or navigation. But if the performance results of games per device is subjective, wouldn't all other performance results be subjective?

Isn’t that cute. One of the brand-new accounts created yesterday thinks they can play with the big boys.

Are you dense, or do you have reading comprehension issues? I already stated in this thread you need to test something that takes considerable processor power (and thus, can be timed/measured). Not one of the Apps you mentioned requires significant power to run.

Why don’t you list some Apps that perform tasks I mentioned? Like video or photo editing? Or any other App you can think of. The only requirements are that they do something that stresses a processor and allows you to perform a measurement (how long to complete a task or how many tasks you can complete).

To help you, here are a three examples:

- Encoding a video. One device takes 20 seconds, another takes 40 seconds. Pretty easy to measure performance and which device is faster.
- Real-time mixing audio. One device can mix 48 tracks, the other can only do 24. Again, easy to determine a winner.
- A complex spreadsheet. One device can recalculate in under 1 second, the other takes 2-3 seconds.

Tasker

You’re either a complete idiot or a troll. First off, Tasker doesn’t require any processor power. Second, Tasker isn’t available for iOS making it impossible to do a comparison.

clarker99 said:

morgle said:

clarker99 said:

morgle said:

clarker99 said:

tmay said:

NoThankYou said:

None of you mouth frothing, chomping at the bit psycho Apple fans have ever used a pixel phone it seems. Like really used, for weeks, fully taking advantage of its intelligence. 

All smart phones are just conduits to using *Google's* services. Internet? Chrome. Email? Gmail. Calendar? Gmail again. Maps? Google Maps. Videos? YouTube. Photos? Google Photos. All these apps are best in class and have the biggest user base (i.e. I don't care if you don't use them, since you should)

A Pixel phone makes life easy. Get hotel and/or flight confirmations to your email? Google adds it  to your calendar, notifies you the day of the trip, and gives you travel times/info. Traffic worse than normal for commute? Google warns you. If you want smart home features, Google Home is the best. Google Assistant is light-years ahead of every other smart assistant. Alexa is ok, but doesn't have Google's search integration. Siri is a joke. All the rest are just as bad as Siri.

Chromecast is better than other smart TV products. Nest has the best security cameras and thermostat. Google WiFi is the prettiest and most intuitive mesh network. Soon self driving cars will dominate, and Waymo (Google) is a half decade farther along than the nearest competitor (which is GM, then Uber, with Apple not really making the list at all). Google is the ecosystem of the future. Apple is doing the same old crap, and doing it worse. They're focusing on building better hardware, while Google is focusing on building better software and letting the hardware market develop itself. The result is that the user experience with Google products blows Apple out of the water.

Also, the pixel camera beats the iPhone camera year after year. And stock Android is prettier, easier to use, and isn't locked in iOS' horrible, basically-unchanging-for-ten-years app layout (an app drawer is indisputably BETTER).

You have a little spittle on your chin that you might want to clean up.

That happens when people go on, and on, with delusional rants.

I'm sure that you feel better now though.

Oh, and find a better name, first time poster.

Imagine paying for and then putting (on your own, without any duress) a Nest Camera, a Google home and a Google Wifi network in your home. Google should be paying you.

My iPhone auto puts calendar events in from my email. My iPhone connects to my vehicles bluetooth and Maps auto pops up and tells me time and can get map in a click. We have seen that no one can tell the difference bw a Pixel photo and a XS photo. And still see that the P20 Pro camera might be the best in the market.  All google apps are available and given lots love in iOS. I pop my airpods in and siri auto pops up my latest podcasts or music. Siri learns and recommend all the similar things you say but hey have you used an iPhone? Like c’mon people.

Many of these features were introduced on Android and are becoming synonymous with its name. When's the last time Apple introduced an exciting new (original) software product? Or even a new tech concept in general? People on Android like being at the front of the line, and for the most part we don't sacrifice anything for it.

Haha. What feature is synonymous with Android? Like seriously. The A12 is the front of the line. How about true depth face ID? Apple is the only company that gives you these features with full privacy and security. iMessage is real and Google cant implement an answer that sticks. Heck, Google cant get a video chat option to stick. AirPods are incredible. The Watch has no competitor.  Idk, I work with both OS’s everyday. Not one person comes in and mentions, I need an Android device bc of x festure. But I hear people say I want an iPhone so I can Facetime my grankids or join an iCloud photo sharing group.

Ye olde FaceTime isn't going to save the company from the inevitable turning of the tides in favor of the cutting edge. Innovation is the game, and Google and Amazon are the frontrunners. Facebook has more of a stake than Apple. The fact that the A12 is a highlight and selling point shows Apple's age. Voice recognition computing and artificial learning are the future tech, and Apple seems immoveably rooted in the past, resting on its laurels while new features are introduced daily, elsewhere.

It's about control. In a future with net neutrality in doubt, the man who owns the internet is King. Hardware is almost irrelevant at this point. But I think Apple is in bed with Amazon. Rest assured, your data is bought and sold. Apple has stated this. It's not true privacy, it's Differential Privacy. Big difference.

Google is giving the internet eyes and ears. The possibilities and potential of such a thing are baffling. In reality, there probably is no greater or lesser evil, but if I had to put my trust in a company, it would be the one that has already made the web a more efficient tool and accessible resource. That's the innovation that sets Google's precedence. And they continue to change and shape the landscape of tech in new and exciting ways.

Amazon is developing Alexa microwaves and Google is selling $600 iPad ripoffs. Blazing all the new tech trails.  Where do these trolls come from?

ericthehalfbee said:

morgle said:

ericthehalfbee said:

gatorguy said:

ericthehalfbee said:

gatorguy said:

ericthehalfbee said:

gatorguy said:

bb-15 said:

saltyzip said:

I'm sure all that extra performance makes Facebook, WhatsApp and phone calls rock, not!

The value of speed in a smartphone includes; 1. Intensive games like Fortnite. 

I think @ericthehalfbee is actually testing how much  better the gaming performance of Fornite is on his iPhone compared to a couple of other higher-end Android phones. 

To really test performance you need to perform tasks where the completion time can be measured. Like rendering a video, applying complex effects to a photo or recalculating a complex spreadsheet.

But you have no way of comparing those as you've said before and you were the one that offered to if presented with some other apps that COULD be tested.  I offered two that my son knew both he and his friends have played in competitions on both Android and iOS. I'm no gamer myself, nor someone who would do their photo processing on a smartphone for that matter.

No doubt there may be some smallish percentage of users like you who really do their "complex photo processing" on their smartphone or do "complex spreadsheet computations" on one, but wouldn't gaming  be a far more common use (perhaps THE most common use based on app store revenues) and and a more insightful comparison? Personally I think it would be a great real-life everyday measuring stick. Just my .02

But if you can't compare 'em yourself,  fair enough. While AI found the X and Note were a toss-up (thanks for that link) the dropped frames on the Note compared to the XS is certainly a plus in Apple's favor. 

EDIT: A cursory look on YouTube indicates game loading on Battlefields and Fortnite is much faster on the XS compared to the Galaxy, and by a significant amount. Game play itself is reported as pretty much on par with each other. But again I'm no gamer so cannot comment from personal experience. 

Thats not what I said. I said there are no high-end Apps on Android to allow a comparison against iOS equivalents.


So I’ll ask again: Can any of you Android users select some Apps for me to compare to make this fair?

Huh? I'm pretty sure I just gave you two to test for yourself: Battlefield and Fortnite. The same ones I gave you exactly a week ago but you never got around to. 

Huh? I’m pretty sure I....

- Already stated why games are a poor example as results are subjective.
- Linked to the AI article on Fortnite so there’s no need to repeat a test someone has already done anyway.
- Have been the person on AI to repeatedly ask others for Apps to compare, making countless others here the ones who “never got around to it”.

Don’t try to turn this back on me.

YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Slack, Evernote, Trello, Maps or navigation. But if the performance results of games per device is subjective, wouldn't all other performance results be subjective?

Isn’t that cute. One of the brand-new accounts created yesterday thinks they can play with the big boys.

Are you dense, or do you have reading comprehension issues? I already stated in this thread you need to test something that takes considerable processor power (and thus, can be timed/measured). Not one of the Apps you mentioned requires significant power to run.

Why don’t you list some Apps that perform tasks I mentioned? Like video or photo editing? Or any other App you can think of. The only requirements are that they do something that stresses a processor and allows you to perform a measurement (how long to complete a task or how many tasks you can complete).

To help you, here are a three examples:

- Encoding a video. One device takes 20 seconds, another takes 40 seconds. Pretty easy to measure performance and which device is faster.
- Real-time mixing audio. One device can mix 48 tracks, the other can only do 24. Again, easy to determine a winner.
- A complex spreadsheet. One device can recalculate in under 1 second, the other takes 2-3 seconds.

clarker99 said:

morgle said:

clarker99 said:

tmay said:

NoThankYou said:

None of you mouth frothing, chomping at the bit psycho Apple fans have ever used a pixel phone it seems. Like really used, for weeks, fully taking advantage of its intelligence. 

All smart phones are just conduits to using *Google's* services. Internet? Chrome. Email? Gmail. Calendar? Gmail again. Maps? Google Maps. Videos? YouTube. Photos? Google Photos. All these apps are best in class and have the biggest user base (i.e. I don't care if you don't use them, since you should)

A Pixel phone makes life easy. Get hotel and/or flight confirmations to your email? Google adds it  to your calendar, notifies you the day of the trip, and gives you travel times/info. Traffic worse than normal for commute? Google warns you. If you want smart home features, Google Home is the best. Google Assistant is light-years ahead of every other smart assistant. Alexa is ok, but doesn't have Google's search integration. Siri is a joke. All the rest are just as bad as Siri.

Chromecast is better than other smart TV products. Nest has the best security cameras and thermostat. Google WiFi is the prettiest and most intuitive mesh network. Soon self driving cars will dominate, and Waymo (Google) is a half decade farther along than the nearest competitor (which is GM, then Uber, with Apple not really making the list at all). Google is the ecosystem of the future. Apple is doing the same old crap, and doing it worse. They're focusing on building better hardware, while Google is focusing on building better software and letting the hardware market develop itself. The result is that the user experience with Google products blows Apple out of the water.

Also, the pixel camera beats the iPhone camera year after year. And stock Android is prettier, easier to use, and isn't locked in iOS' horrible, basically-unchanging-for-ten-years app layout (an app drawer is indisputably BETTER).

You have a little spittle on your chin that you might want to clean up.

That happens when people go on, and on, with delusional rants.

I'm sure that you feel better now though.

Oh, and find a better name, first time poster.

Imagine paying for and then putting (on your own, without any duress) a Nest Camera, a Google home and a Google Wifi network in your home. Google should be paying you.

My iPhone auto puts calendar events in from my email. My iPhone connects to my vehicles bluetooth and Maps auto pops up and tells me time and can get map in a click. We have seen that no one can tell the difference bw a Pixel photo and a XS photo. And still see that the P20 Pro camera might be the best in the market.  All google apps are available and given lots love in iOS. I pop my airpods in and siri auto pops up my latest podcasts or music. Siri learns and recommend all the similar things you say but hey have you used an iPhone? Like c’mon people.

Many of these features were introduced on Android and are becoming synonymous with its name. When's the last time Apple introduced an exciting new (original) software product? Or even a new tech concept in general? People on Android like being at the front of the line, and for the most part we don't sacrifice anything for it.

Haha. What feature is synonymous with Android? Like seriously. The A12 is the front of the line. How about true depth face ID? Apple is the only company that gives you these features with full privacy and security. iMessage is real and Google cant implement an answer that sticks. Heck, Google cant get a video chat option to stick. AirPods are incredible. The Watch has no competitor.  Idk, I work with both OS’s everyday. Not one person comes in and mentions, I need an Android device bc of x festure. But I hear people say I want an iPhone so I can Facetime my grankids or join an iCloud photo sharing group.

clarker99 said:

tmay said:

NoThankYou said:

None of you mouth frothing, chomping at the bit psycho Apple fans have ever used a pixel phone it seems. Like really used, for weeks, fully taking advantage of its intelligence. 

All smart phones are just conduits to using *Google's* services. Internet? Chrome. Email? Gmail. Calendar? Gmail again. Maps? Google Maps. Videos? YouTube. Photos? Google Photos. All these apps are best in class and have the biggest user base (i.e. I don't care if you don't use them, since you should)

A Pixel phone makes life easy. Get hotel and/or flight confirmations to your email? Google adds it  to your calendar, notifies you the day of the trip, and gives you travel times/info. Traffic worse than normal for commute? Google warns you. If you want smart home features, Google Home is the best. Google Assistant is light-years ahead of every other smart assistant. Alexa is ok, but doesn't have Google's search integration. Siri is a joke. All the rest are just as bad as Siri.

Chromecast is better than other smart TV products. Nest has the best security cameras and thermostat. Google WiFi is the prettiest and most intuitive mesh network. Soon self driving cars will dominate, and Waymo (Google) is a half decade farther along than the nearest competitor (which is GM, then Uber, with Apple not really making the list at all). Google is the ecosystem of the future. Apple is doing the same old crap, and doing it worse. They're focusing on building better hardware, while Google is focusing on building better software and letting the hardware market develop itself. The result is that the user experience with Google products blows Apple out of the water.

Also, the pixel camera beats the iPhone camera year after year. And stock Android is prettier, easier to use, and isn't locked in iOS' horrible, basically-unchanging-for-ten-years app layout (an app drawer is indisputably BETTER).

You have a little spittle on your chin that you might want to clean up.

That happens when people go on, and on, with delusional rants.

I'm sure that you feel better now though.

Oh, and find a better name, first time poster.

Imagine paying for and then putting (on your own, without any duress) a Nest Camera, a Google home and a Google Wifi network in your home. Google should be paying you.

My iPhone auto puts calendar events in from my email. My iPhone connects to my vehicles bluetooth and Maps auto pops up and tells me time and can get map in a click. We have seen that no one can tell the difference bw a Pixel photo and a XS photo. And still see that the P20 Pro camera might be the best in the market.  All google apps are available and given lots love in iOS. I pop my airpods in and siri auto pops up my latest podcasts or music. Siri learns and recommend all the similar things you say but hey have you used an iPhone? Like c’mon people.