TheDude121

@ihatescreennames ... You sound like a semi smart person - what exactly are you battling with?

Let's say hypothetically there are 10 x Android phones on the market. Now, 8 x of these have 2D facial recognition and 2 x of these have the same 3D recognition system as the iPhone.

Surely if you wanted to select the best phones to compete with the revolutionary iPhone 3D system, from the sample, you'd include the two 3D systems? But no, they've selected the inferior system *and* deactivated any security settings (bizarre!) ... It's just a very weird test.

But hey - if it makes you feel good ... Who am I to get in your way?

With the video, I just wanted to point out that although the fake 3D head opened the purposely unsecured Android system, there wasn't a single mention of the real people opening the secure iPhone.

And @StrangeDays ...

If you think I'm a troll, then don't reply. I feel I'm adding to the conversion and giving my opinion.

If you do choose to reply, try have some facts and that way, we can have a meaningful conversation. 

No comment on the leaving out of 3D systems or why they didn't have the security settings.

No comment on your unbreakable Apple system.

No comment on the finances of a company, other than how much money they make off you and your friends

https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/12/17/the-1-buffett-stock-id-buy-right-now.aspx

What did you think of the video though ? 

I mean, on one hand we have a fake giant head getting to an Android system using 2D facial recognition and with the settings switched off to make it less secure - and on the other hand, we have a 10 year old boy opening his moms (another gender, another generation) iPhone with revolutionary 3D IR dots blasting Face ID.

It's thought provoking, really.

StrangeDays said:

TheDude121 said:

Speaking of Warren Buffet, I'm glad he's in it for the long run ... I'm sure didn't expect the decline, but he's in positive spirits I guess

https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/12/17/the-1-buffett-stock-id-buy-right-now.aspx

The recent downturn, however, has caused the value of his investment to drop by nearly $17 billion from its recent highs.

They're definitely slowing down with the competition. Good thing they've stopped dishing out the sales numbers, right? They're also losing market share to Huawei who have rocketed up in the last few years and dropped to the 3rd largest smartphone maker on the planet.

I'm not saying they're unsuccessful at all, but close to 30% share price drop, slow iPhone sales/demand and declining market share is something that should be addressed sooner, rather than later.

Oh look, another newbie advocating worship at the Church of Market Share. Yawn. Market share is not king. Profit is king. Profit is the air corporations breathe. Market share is for people to brag about when they’re not making as much money as the profit leaders. 

This was in reply to the Warren Buffet comment - it had nothing to do with you and it was in context. But since you replied  

You're right - market share is only one component and by itself, doesn't mean much. But if you add : 

- Almost 30% / $250 billion knocked off market cap
- Suppliers complaining about slow sales 
- Investors lowering forecasts warnings
- Apple deciding not to release sales figures
- I think November was the worst month since 2008?

Holistically (that means we add up all the points) it does a raise a warning bell or two - especially in the short space of time. Look, Apple is not in trouble as they have an army of rabbid, die hard fans (aka you) that will defend every single move they do. But it is something to keep an eye on.

EDIT : I love your comment about not making as much profit and profit leaders. This is your money at the end of the day ... and you're bragging about how much money this company is making off you ? It's bizarre - but I guess it does go to show that the research done on the iPhone / status symbol is correct. For iPhone users It's all about the money at the end of the day and what they've spent.

StrangeDays said:

TheDude121 said:

@ihatescreennames ;

You don't think the test would be more objective if they included phones with the same type system ... ? 

I mean cherry picking is cool 'n stuff, but majority of technical people (ie not Android or iPhone fans) are going to pick up the rather obvious issue. But it'd be far more fair if they included an Android rival with a real facial recognition system like the iPhone

It'd probably make for better reading too ...

That’s absolutely fucking stupid. Facial recognition is the feature. The tech implemented to achieve the advertised feature is the responsibility of the manufacturer. As consumers, we can’t be expected to know or care what tech is used to do it. Clearly these knockoffs chose shitty tech. That’s on them. That’s the point of the article. 

Go move your goalposts somewhere else. 

Maybe you should read again because you're not really answering .. you're just getting aggressive.

* There are Android 3D Facial recognition systems - but they were left off the test - why?
* There is a setting that will prevent a photo or fake head entering - that was not turned not on - why?
* The phones chosen are half the price of the Phone - why?

On a real tech forum, a test like this laughed at. I mean a competitive test with out the competitors doesn't make the best reading. Though, the test makes you feel warm and fuzzy ... and that's all that matters. Personally I'd love to see a competitor in a comparative test.