linuxplatform

Xed said:

linuxplatform said:

ericthehalfbee said:

Honest question because I haven’t been keeping up.

Is Stadia available on Xbox or PlayStation? Is PlayStation Now or xCloud available on each other’s platforms?

Ugh. Not this again.

1. Microsoft stated that iOS was the only general purpose operating system where video game streaming apps like this are not supported. XBox is not a general purpose operating system or platform. It is an appliance that runs video games. It is more similar to the original iPod or the first generation Apple TV appliances - designed for playing music in the former and streaming from a few preloaded apps in the latter - than iOS, iPadOS, Android, ChromeOS, Windows Desktop, Windows Server or desktop/server Linux. (Facepalm)

2. That being said, Microsoft does allow EA Access, a competing video game subscription streaming app on XBox.

3. That also being said, Microsoft would absolutely 100 love a subscription service for Playstation games on XBox. They would approve it in a heartbeat. The only issue is that Sony doesn't want to do it for their own competitive purposes.

While I don't agree with Apple's position, that's a really pathetic argument.

Pathetic how?
I explained Microsoft's argument, which is true.

I pointed out that Microsoft allows services similar to xCloud on XBox like EA's, which is true.

And I pointed out that since Japanese game developers avoid XBox like the plague and as a result XBox sales are horrible in Asia, Microsoft would LOVE for a PlayStation streaming service to get the JRPG (for example) games that they lack and actually be able to move more than a couple million XBoxes a year in Asia as a result but the only reason why it doesn't happen is that Sony being a hardware company like Apple would much prefer you buy their PlayStation hardware than buy XBox hardware and subscribe to their streaming service, which is also true.

And I did so in response to a direct "question" that was framed to defend Apple's position. (Made by someone wanting to expose Microsoft as this hateful duplicitious hypocrite, had no idea that Microsoft actually does allow a similar service on XBox even though it is not even a general purpose operating system, and got mad and bashed me as a troll when I called him on it.)

So again, what was pathetic about it?

ericthehalfbee said:

linuxplatform said:

ericthehalfbee said:

Honest question because I haven’t been keeping up.

Is Stadia available on Xbox or PlayStation? Is PlayStation Now or xCloud available on each other’s platforms?

Ugh. Not this again.

1. Microsoft stated that iOS was the only general purpose operating system where video game streaming apps like this are not supported. XBox is not a general purpose operating system or platform. It is an appliance that runs video games. It is more similar to the original iPod or the first generation Apple TV appliances - designed for playing music in the former and streaming from a few preloaded apps in the latter - than iOS, iPadOS, Android, ChromeOS, Windows Desktop, Windows Server or desktop/server Linux. (Facepalm)

2. That being said, Microsoft does allow EA Access, a competing video game subscription streaming app on XBox.

3. That also being said, Microsoft would absolutely 100 love a subscription service for Playstation games on XBox. They would approve it in a heartbeat. The only issue is that Sony doesn't want to do it for their own competitive purposes.

Your trolling is truly pathetic.

All right. My trolling is pathetic. That is given. With that said ... can you actually rebut anything that I said with facts? No. You can't.

1. Is actually true. 
2. Is actually true.
3. Is actually true.

And you know it. That is why rather than opposing my facts with facts of your own, you resort to personal attacks. My goodness, you are as bad as the fellow who claimed "No one would buy Office 365 if it were a cloud/web only app!" when I reminded him of the likes of Salesforce (the original SaaS which was in business 8 years before the iPhone was ever invented) and Google Suite (another massive SaaS success that predated the iPhone). 

I might be a troll but at least I am a troll with facts. So what does that make you? Seriously, Apple fans need to learn a lot more about the wider technology world that exists beyond their own platform. Linux, Windows and Android device buyers have to be by definition because our devices come from any number of manufacturers - Samsung, Google, Microsoft, Dell, HP, Amazon, Lenovo, LG, Acer, Asus to name a very few - so that forces us to take a wider view of what is out there in order to find the products that are best for us. Apple fans should do the same. Even if you still buy Apple products at the end of the day - which you will - it would prevent the sort of ridiculous, flat out "I have no idea what is going on out there" comments that dominate Apple sites like this one.

mdriftmeyer said:

Game streaming performance is piss poor, unless you have Fiber 1Gb Up/1Gb Down, and on top of that an extra layer of latency due to decompression on the fly frame by frame, with them pushing up  to 30 seconds of pre-streamed, decompressed framing at you to attempt a smooth experience. All of this taxes the system resources. Sorry, but it's a shit show and Google knows it.

Microsoft failed at its own Mobile OS. It now wants to circumvent iOS and would Android but for the fact Android is a shit show and it already allows circumvention as a substitute for exploiting to hundreds of billions in information adverts and third party targeted ad selling which compromises all personal privacy--ala Facebook and Google. Microsoft is happy to capitalize on that and ignore the privacy concerns. Its sole focus is to exploit anywhere it can because it is seeing its peak in potential new revenues streams severely limited by its own decisions over the past decade.

Apple with it's well thought out ecosystem adds new markets when it feels the cross pollination is well tested, extends the vertical services and keeps expanding and offering quality products/services without selling out their user base personal information to the Government or third parties. The vast majority of profits in the entire computing industry for mobile goes through Apple.

Microsoft and Google want that to end. They cry foul and play bedfellows while they continue to syphon information from their customers in exchange for a perceived short-term `freedom' that for the life of me is nothing more than a slow dependency on all information going through them both.

Apple has no interest in monetizing on your personal shopping needs, your addictions, your habits, your rituals, etc. They provide you with an ecosystem of platforms that let you decide how you want to work, be entertained and invest your life's energy. If their approach is not your cup of tea there is always Microsoft through Google, Samsung through Google, Google, or other Android vendors through Google. Their platform is familiar to Microsoft as it is as filled with the similar types of Malware that Microsoft made billions off of providing `security services' while keeping the fundamental designs of its OS broken and available for exploit. Android does the same under Google. 

Apple pays bounties for improved security testing [exploits] and people fall silent. Before, they were inundated with whining that not all security is flawless and all their services are bug free. By comparison it's just assumed Android is a maze of hacks and broken services, but open for you to tinker on--thus perceived freedom.

You want your games streamed then use the Web interface, Microsoft/Google and stop whining that you aren't the creator of Apple's Ecosystem you so enviously wish you owned.

Steve Jobs won. Check mate.

1. Game streaming is bad unless you have good Internet? Well genius ... CONSOLE AND RIG GAMERS HAVE GIGABIT INTERNET. And they plan to heavily take advantage of 5G on mobile. So you flat out don't know what you are talking about.

2. Microsoft doesn't want to "circumvent iOS." They want to be on iOS but Apple won't let them. What is wrong with you people? Seriously, what gives? Are you blaming Microsoft for creating a product that Apple won't approve? What other companies need Apple's permission first? Again, what is wrong with you folks?

3. Microsoft may have failed with their own mobile OS but they succeeded massively with their own gaming platform while lots of other more established gaming companies have fallen by the wayside. They are levering the 100+ million people that have bought XBoxes and the 65 million people who currently subscribe to XBox Live by giving them a cloud gaming service. Which A) they have been planning and testing for at least 5 years - seriously I first heard about this service 5 years ago - and Sony was considering a similar service but abandoned it and C) Google, Amazon, Steam and Nvidia have entered this space or will so soon within the next 2 years which forces them to even if they didn't really want to. 

4. Since 2013, Apple's "well thought out ecosystem" has been primarily lifting innovations first implemented on Android, Windows 10 and Linux. It is real easy to hang back, see what works, adopt it yourself and then act like you invented it.

5. Microsoft and Google want that to end ... when they both applied to be on iOS and were rejected? And when Stadia will still work on macOS? Again, what reality are you living in? And as I asked earlier ... should Microsoft and Google not offer products unless they are going to be supported on iOS? That is an absolutely insane notion to take when you consider that Apple makes virtually none of their products and services available apart from Apple hardware. Talk about thinking the world revolves around you ...

6. Steve Jobs won? Great. But Google won too. They went from being the #5 search company to at Fortune 25 company in fifteen years. They have launched two successful operating systems since 2008, one of them the most widely used and successful ones in history as well as two widely used programming languages (Dart and Golang) and a ton of frameworks like node.js. And Microsoft? They won PC computing. Apple has 7% market share and at times it was as low as 3%. 

7. Another person who trashes Android without ever having used it. It is funny ... the Android and Microsoft users that you hate use Apple products all the time. We don't hate MacBooks (in fact I use them heavily), iPads (which I have used in the past) or iPhones. We just like other platforms as good or better. Somehow your brain can't comprehend that. Because something is wrong with it. 

8. Microsoft and Google aren't whining. Google hasn't said squat about xCloud not being on iOS. Ever. Meanwhile, Microsoft only responded to Apple's distorted claims! Apple customers were angry at Microsoft for canceling the beta testing and pulling the product. Apple responds by claiming that xCloud "didn't meet their standards." Microsoft - in order to keep their XBox fans who own iPhones from targeting them - pointed out A) that Apple rejects all video game streaming platforms on a blanket level so it was not their fault that Apple rejected their app as there was nothing that they could have done to get it approved and that Apple is the only general purpose platform that rejects such apps. Both are 100% true. And Microsoft was 100% correct in telling it. So what, you wanted Microsoft to take the hit on this from their paying customers just to save Apple a little heat? Why?

Personally, I could care less who supports what. When I want a product that isn't available on one platform, I buy something that it is available on. When a family member wanted to stream iTunes content to a TV, I bought an Apple TV. That I already had an Android TV didn't matter ... my TV has multiple HDMI ports so I just used another one. So it is folks like you who claim that Microsoft shouldn't create a service that Apple wouldn't approve of in the first place that are the ones with the real problems in their thinking. It isn't Microsoft's job to tend to Apple's business philosophy or market position or reputation. Microsoft has business needs of their own, and using xCloud to promote A) their XBox division and their Azure division absolutely meets them. And look, there are 3 billion Android users and like 2.5 billion Windows users. Microsoft doesn't need iOS for xCloud to succeed. Most XBox Live subscribers have an Android device already - XBox apps have lots of installs on Android - and those who don't will simply buy one.

ericthehalfbee said:

Honest question because I haven’t been keeping up.

Is Stadia available on Xbox or PlayStation? Is PlayStation Now or xCloud available on each other’s platforms?

Ugh. Not this again.

1. Microsoft stated that iOS was the only general purpose operating system where video game streaming apps like this are not supported. XBox is not a general purpose operating system or platform. It is an appliance that runs video games. It is more similar to the original iPod or the first generation Apple TV appliances - designed for playing music in the former and streaming from a few preloaded apps in the latter - than iOS, iPadOS, Android, ChromeOS, Windows Desktop, Windows Server or desktop/server Linux. (Facepalm)

2. That being said, Microsoft does allow EA Access, a competing video game subscription streaming app on XBox.

3. That also being said, Microsoft would absolutely 100 love a subscription service for Playstation games on XBox. They would approve it in a heartbeat. The only issue is that Sony doesn't want to do it for their own competitive purposes.

slurpy said:

mjtomlin said:

wreighven said:

I agree with this article.  I usually defend Apple's actions, but not this time.  This is anti-consumer.

Like banning Flash?

Exactly. People forget the massive outcry over that, and at the end of the day Apple stuck to its guns and was better off for it. As well as the entire industry. But at the time they hardly got support from anyone. They were decried by blogs, developers, and consumers. 

Point is Apple shouldn't automatically give in due to public outcry. This outcry is often short-sighted and ignorant of the many facets of the decision, especially for the long term. 

There is another side of this ... times where Apple initially opposed something and had to later backtrack and adopt it.
Examples: stylus. AMOLED screens. NFC and mobile payments. Larger form factors. Widgets. Bringing true multi-tasking to their mobile platforms and adopting the multicore CPUs and RAM necessary to drive it. 2-in-1s, or at least detachables with keyboard and trackpad devices as well as support built into the OS. Multi-platform cloud-based subscription services like Apple Music and Apple TV+. All of these things were to some degree mocked and panned by Apple as bad ideas and bad design - the best stylus is the finger! - only to be quietly adopted later. My favorite was when Apple made the stunning claim: "We switched from LCD to OLED when OLED technology advanced to when it was good enough to use" when OLED use was so widespread - hence proven - that it was regularly used had been in CHEAP phones and tablets made by multiple manufacturers for years by then, and pretty much the only company still using LCD for their better devices (other than Apple) was LG (because they made them).

So yes, there are times when Apple stands against the tide of history and is proven right. But there are also plenty of times that Apple stands against the tide of history and is proven wrong. Apple isn't some preternatural being with the gift of foresight. They are just a company who is as likely to be wrong or right as any other. Sure, their "wait and see" approach may make them less likely to commit the sort of obvious blunders that Google is infamous for and Microsoft made under Ballmer (then again the wait and see approach before coming out with their mobile product failed Microsoft badly because Android was firmly established as the iOS competitor for consumers and developers by the time Windows Phone finally came out ... and even after waiting all that time it was still a terrible product with little first or third party app support and a recycled Zune Player UX/UI ... its purpose was to achieve consistency with their desktop Metro UI, but the phone didn't actually interact with the Windows 8 desktop in any way and PC users hated the WIndows 8 UI too!) but with the ideas that actually do work, a lot of companies make a ton of money by getting their good products to market first.