AppleSince1976

Fred257 said:

So, an old keyboard design that works along with last years processors and you can pay a bunch more for 32GB of RAM.  Apple knows it’s users well and this update is insufficient in many regards.

IMHO, the "old keyboard design" is the only reason for this upgrade. They wanted to excise the nightmare of the butterfly keyboard from their corporate memory, and this was the quickest way to do it. And users also get a physical ESC key as a bonus...

And it does offer a significant maximum RAM update, as well as an equally-significant maximum SSD update.

And the reason for no 10th-gen. CPUs is obvious: This is still using the same cooling design as the previous model (again, to get it out the door faster (butterfly keyboard, remember?), and so there probably wasn't time to redesign the heatsinking/fan setup and do all the requisite testing, and likely their attempt to put a 10th gen CPU in there resulted in unacceptable throttling (the review said the new 13" MBP exhibited essentially no throttling), and so they just decided to dodge that bullet. Afterall, those who want a 10th gen CPU in a 13" should have no problem justifying the higher-end model.

All in all, I think the review was unnecessarily harsh, and the editorializing exhibited in the Headline was actually fairly unprofessional.

MplsP said:

dysamoria said:

Oh finally a new GUI for EXS24? Cool. But...

As predicted: Apple dropped Sierra and High Sierra support for Logic. I’m sort of surprised they didn’t also drop Mojave support.

None of my Macs support Mojave. They are already hacked to run unsupported High Sierra and can’t go further to Mojave.

...

This is shit. I don’t know where else I can go because I DESPISE Windows and PCs. Dog damn you, Apple.

Mojave will run on a 2015 or newer MacBook, or a 2012 or newer MacBook Air/Pro/iMac. High Sierra will run on anything newer than 2010 Since you had to hack your computers to run High Sierra, you are saying that have a more than 10 year old computer and are mad because it won't run brand new software. Say what?

Or just update the "hacking" to run Mojave:

http://dosdude1.com/mojave/

ZepLepplin said:

mr lizard said:

SpamSandwich said:

There’s nothing “professional” about the Live Loops function. It might be adequate for creating a scratch track, but it’s more a tool for amateurs and DJs.

I suspect they added it to catch up with Ableton Live which offers the same feature. 

sorta. Ableton is in a class all by itself. It created it, it owns it. Live Loops is laughable to even be compared to Ableton Live. Though I can see where it may eventually get to a place to compete, but light years away. 

Have you actually tried LPX' Live Loops?

Didn't think so...

dysamoria said:

Oh finally a new GUI for EXS24? Cool. But...

As predicted: Apple dropped Sierra and High Sierra support for Logic. I’m sort of surprised they didn’t also drop Mojave support.

None of my Macs support Mojave. They are already hacked to run unsupported High Sierra and can’t go further to Mojave.

Sigh.

Then there’s the remote app, with no support for iOS 12, which I’m still on because iOS 13 is reportedly sluggish on iPhone 6s and iPad Pro first generation.

Sigh.

The push to buy new hardware continues... and I’m poor as dirt.

Even if I weren’t poor, Apple don’t give a damn about me being a customer unless I’m also wealthy. Buy a new phone every three years to be safe. Buy a new Mac every six years or less.

No!

I’ve been saving tax rebates to buy a new Mac Pro to replace both my old Macs and my old PC, and then Apple went and changed the introductory price of the Mac Pro to frelling $6000, twice what it used to start at, and all non-plutocrats who can’t afford an overkill machine are expected to keep using storage & RAM-unupgradable & thermally deficient all-in-one laptops, iMacs, or similarly stupidly compact & unupgradable Mac Mini (while also suffering whatever display incompatibilities there are with third party displays because Apple only makes a $5000 display now).

Apple won me over in 2008. In 2013, that Apple ceased to be. I still hate Windows and PCs more, but WTF am I supposed to do? Just keep buying thermally-insufficient, high-cost second-hand machines that last a shorter time due to the constant upgrade cycle push via an expiring ecosystem?

Having a fully-operational Apple device ecosystem is impossible for longer than a couple years. For example: if I upgrade to iOS 13, iCloud Safari sync will break for me because I can’t uograde to Mojave on my Macs.

This is shit. I don’t know where else I can go because I DESPISE Windows and PCs. Dog damn you, Apple.

I am in the same boat, hardware-wise. I can't just download LPX 10.5 to participate in this particular round of "New Hotness". But there really is a way... with few exceptions, you should be able to upgrade pretty much any reasonably modern Mac (back to about 2008) to at least Mojave with the most-excellent DOSDude's tools. Here's the one for Mojave:

http://dosdude1.com/mojave/

I have no affiliation with him; but I have used his tools on multiple Macs, and can attest for their ease-of-installation and perfect performance. I would even go so far as to strongly suggest you click his "Donate" button...

Now, to address the underlying issue: Which is the "correct" thing to do? Continually hobble macOS and Applications with ever-increasing layers of "compatibility" wedges, alternate Frameworks, and other workarounds? This is what got Windows to the point where it was an completely unstable, insecure, teetering stack of swiss-cheese. Or, move the OS, its Frameworks, and Applications forward, taking advantage of more efficient, stable and faster operation, and even features simply not possible with existing macOS versions and/or Frameworks?

Fortunately, IMHO, Apple chose the correct path.

And keep in mind: It isn't like your LPX 10.4.x or iOS 12-compatible Logic Remote is going to suddenly stop working today. They are still the same awesome tools you enjoyed 10 seconds before you were aware of this Update, and still have many hours of enjoyable and reliable service to give!

The new Mac Pro is so expensive because it is so advanced. It is far and away more computer than its immediate ancestor. In fact, a 2019 16" MacBook Pro with an 8-core 2.4 GHz/5.0 GHz i9 is likely faster than a previous-generation Mac Pro, and is a damn sight easier to haul to a live recording session! And it is essentially comparable in price to the previous Mac Pro, too.

As for displays, the reason why Apple got out of the sturm and drang display business, is that there was no longer enough distinction between what they could do vs. other display companies at a given price point, and so their display business slowly became non-profitable. But considering that a MacBook Pro can:

Simultaneous support full native resolution on the built-in display at millions of colors and:

• Up to two displays with 6016‑by‑3384 resolution at 60Hz at over a billion colors
• Up to four displays with 4096‑by‑2304 resolution at 60Hz at over a billion colors

I wouldn't sweat the display capabilities...

But no reason to be mad; advancement and eventual obsolescence is simply the way of "tech". It isn't usually an evil conspiracy (other than people like Sonos; who intentionally bricked their older devices!).

https://www.whathifi.com/us/news/sonos-kills-off-its-controversial-and-device-bricking-recycle-mode


Having said all this; I'd tough it out until the USB-4 equipped Macs come out (next year, likely). They will support the new DisplayPort 2.0. That will give you up to 16k displays (!!!)

Soli said:

jkdsteve said:

There's also the issue of I/O - PCIe and Thunderebolt etc.

The consumer will no doubt suffer through quite a lot of teething issues in software and hardware.

How is Intel making Thunderbolt royalty-free for other chip makers an issue for Apple?

About 2 years ago, Intel made Thunderbolt 3 a Royalty-Free, Open Standard, and just gave it to the USB Standards Consortium.

That's what USB 4.0 actually is:

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-releases-thunderbolt-to-the-industry.html