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Only the base iPhone 17 may escape a $50 price hike
themind said:This is a VERY difficult thing to say as a 20+ year apple fan and UK user but if apple "spreads the pain" of Trumps tariffs around the world then I'm out, I'll leave the apple ecosystem and that's from someone who is VERY invested in it. Apple/USA, you have danced with the Trump devil and if the impact is on the rest of the world then expect the rest of the world to have long memories. Apple was, possibly still is, seen as one of the good guys of tech but that view is wearing thinner. At least in the UK/Europe several US tech companies are seen with distain for cosying up to Trump, paying for his inauguration etc, it's a dangerous path. Tesla drivers sporting "pre Trump Tesla" bumper stickers. Meta and X getting rid of any semblance of fact checking etc. As I say, I'm very much an apple fan but if Apple tries to make us pay for Trumps tariffs on the USA then Apples market share in the UK/Erope is going to go south.Afarstar said:I’m assuming that this price rise will only be for US customers. Presumably European stock doesn’t touch America. -
iPhone 17 may have been spotted in the wild
AppleZulu said:Wesley_Hilliard said:AppleZulu said:Wesley_Hilliard said:AppleZulu said:Wesley_Hilliard said:macgui said:winstoner71 said:Some of you need to stop being such Karens. This is news. Good reporting.Stabitha_Christie said:Wesley_Hilliard said:Stabitha_Christie said:I love a good rumor as much as the next person but can we not normalize this kind of behavior? While it isn't illegal to take someone's photo in public is still an invasion of privacy and promoting this kind of thing will only lead to more instances of this kind of thing.
Like I said in the piece, it's not something that's going to be a problem because these kinds of design changes are very rare. Nearly every other prototype iPhone has looked identical to its predecessor with the exception of iPhone X, which was prototyped in a literal brick-sized box IIRC.I wouldn't worry about this becoming a common way to leak iPhone information.
Let's assume this is an actual pic and not AI. Sunglasses knew he'd be the subject of pics if the rumors of his security team are accurate. The whole situation gives me a "staged" feel. Who is he? An Apple employee doesn't seem probably. Why was he photographing the alleged 17 outdoors in what appears to be a public area? Who provided the phone? Is this an Official Apple Leak?
Then there's a question (of me at least) of whether or not as previously mentioned this is an AI generated rendering and not a photo. The third finger of the left hand looks to be obscured by some artifact. Sunglasses' reflection in the 17 looks to me to be at a wrong angle. Sunglasses' sunglasses reflect almost completely different images. That might be explained by a bend in a bridge. That whole situation gives me "fake" feel.
All speculation on my part. You're all free to move about the cabin.Can't test real world devices without being in the real world. Stuff like this is bound to happen. It only doesn't, because again, most new iPhones look like the old ones. This is the exception.
The artifacts and grain suggest the photo was taken from far away. Anomalies were likely further enhanced by the image processing on iPhone, then the processing performed when we enlarged the photo to be usable on the web.
Let's not get into conspiracy territory. It's not that big a deal anyway. It's just a photo of an Apple employee testing an iPhone a few weeks before it is announced. It isn't that hard to believe.
And news sites don't pay for news. News is what happens, whether you like it or not. Paying for information can lead to charges of corporate espionage, and it's also highly unethical and against every form of journalistic integrity.
The best thing about conspiracy theories is they fall down with a little bit of simple logic. What purpose would it serve for this to be AI generated? Who benefits? And even if it were AI generated (it isn't) what does that change? Believe it's AI generated if you must, but I don't understand the need to try and convince others.
I get that we live in a world where we need to be more critical of information than ever. Fooling people with AI is only going to get more prevalent. But this isn't AI. And whatever the case, iPhone 17 Pro Max will have a camera bar and will launch in September.
Now, while you're there at the dude's shoulder, look at the freaky-ass ear of the dude behind the dude. That is not pixellation or noise. The little bump of cartilage that sits right in front of a person's ear canal is called a tragus. It looks like AI has rendered more of those goin all the way around the ear. That is exactly the sort of thing that AI does when it fails to properly render the odd folds and curves of human ears.
I'm not offering a conspiracy theory here. I have no idea why someone would fake an image of an iPhone 17 "in the wild," other than as a prank to get attention. I am not among those here who would be offended if you had an actual picture of that, because I agree that out in public, it's fair game, both morally and under the law. I also don't think someone wearing a puffy jacket on a summer day in San Francisco is the least bit odd. My "need to convince others" that this is probably an AI generated photo is only about the need in general to call out fakery when I see it. If we're not critical and careful about that when it doesn't matter much, then we just open the doors for more of it when it does.
Looking at the original, non cropped image, that's on X, it has a trash can. The glasses right side, his left, shows the reflection of the trash can. Really, go look at the original photo, it's not all that odd. And really, there's nothing about this that looks AI generated. I'd love to see someone attempt to recreate this with AI, especially from two completely different angles of the same person without any error. It just doesn't seem feasible without extensive work or just full on manipulation that could take hours. Again, faking it seems too unlikely for a prank to get attention.
People put too much stock into what AI can accomplish. I'd love to see similar examples of AI generated photos that look like this, because then I could at least agree that AI makes images like this. From what I've seen, it doesn't.
But don't worry, we're quite careful. And don't you think that someone would have pointed out it was fake and provided evidence if it were? This photo was prominently posted all over several popular Apple websites and examined by a lot of people. If there were evidence of it being AI, it would have been revealed by now.
That's all I'm saying. It's like faking the moon landing -- that would be a lot of people know something and never share it. The story here is simple, someone that knows what to look for spotted it, shot a photo, and posted it to social media.If evidence appears beyond an individual in a forum speculating, I'll happily reexamine it. That would be something we'd certainly cover!
Gurman says the photo looks legit. Everything I've done to verify the photo's authenticity checks out. But if you want to believe it is AI, go for it. -
No India tariff deal means Apple will face iPhone import fees eight times higher than befo...
libertyandfree said:You worry too much about something that has a good chance of never occurring. And if Trump is one thing he is a negotiator, and I believe it highly unlikely Apple will be hit with a 25% tariff.There are no negotiations, just demands. He's never been a negotiator. He declares what he wants and expects it to be so. Then he only makes rational changes after his base and his sycophants convince him it's a bad idea or a hoax purveyed by a President from a decade ago. Or whatever excuse he's using this week. -
iPhone 17 may have been spotted in the wild
AppleZulu said:Wesley_Hilliard said:AppleZulu said:Wesley_Hilliard said:macgui said:winstoner71 said:Some of you need to stop being such Karens. This is news. Good reporting.Stabitha_Christie said:Wesley_Hilliard said:Stabitha_Christie said:I love a good rumor as much as the next person but can we not normalize this kind of behavior? While it isn't illegal to take someone's photo in public is still an invasion of privacy and promoting this kind of thing will only lead to more instances of this kind of thing.
Like I said in the piece, it's not something that's going to be a problem because these kinds of design changes are very rare. Nearly every other prototype iPhone has looked identical to its predecessor with the exception of iPhone X, which was prototyped in a literal brick-sized box IIRC.I wouldn't worry about this becoming a common way to leak iPhone information.
Let's assume this is an actual pic and not AI. Sunglasses knew he'd be the subject of pics if the rumors of his security team are accurate. The whole situation gives me a "staged" feel. Who is he? An Apple employee doesn't seem probably. Why was he photographing the alleged 17 outdoors in what appears to be a public area? Who provided the phone? Is this an Official Apple Leak?
Then there's a question (of me at least) of whether or not as previously mentioned this is an AI generated rendering and not a photo. The third finger of the left hand looks to be obscured by some artifact. Sunglasses' reflection in the 17 looks to me to be at a wrong angle. Sunglasses' sunglasses reflect almost completely different images. That might be explained by a bend in a bridge. That whole situation gives me "fake" feel.
All speculation on my part. You're all free to move about the cabin.Can't test real world devices without being in the real world. Stuff like this is bound to happen. It only doesn't, because again, most new iPhones look like the old ones. This is the exception.
The artifacts and grain suggest the photo was taken from far away. Anomalies were likely further enhanced by the image processing on iPhone, then the processing performed when we enlarged the photo to be usable on the web.
Let's not get into conspiracy territory. It's not that big a deal anyway. It's just a photo of an Apple employee testing an iPhone a few weeks before it is announced. It isn't that hard to believe.
And news sites don't pay for news. News is what happens, whether you like it or not. Paying for information can lead to charges of corporate espionage, and it's also highly unethical and against every form of journalistic integrity.
The best thing about conspiracy theories is they fall down with a little bit of simple logic. What purpose would it serve for this to be AI generated? Who benefits? And even if it were AI generated (it isn't) what does that change? Believe it's AI generated if you must, but I don't understand the need to try and convince others.
I get that we live in a world where we need to be more critical of information than ever. Fooling people with AI is only going to get more prevalent. But this isn't AI. And whatever the case, iPhone 17 Pro Max will have a camera bar and will launch in September.
Now, while you're there at the dude's shoulder, look at the freaky-ass ear of the dude behind the dude. That is not pixellation or noise. The little bump of cartilage that sits right in front of a person's ear canal is called a tragus. It looks like AI has rendered more of those goin all the way around the ear. That is exactly the sort of thing that AI does when it fails to properly render the odd folds and curves of human ears.
I'm not offering a conspiracy theory here. I have no idea why someone would fake an image of an iPhone 17 "in the wild," other than as a prank to get attention. I am not among those here who would be offended if you had an actual picture of that, because I agree that out in public, it's fair game, both morally and under the law. I also don't think someone wearing a puffy jacket on a summer day in San Francisco is the least bit odd. My "need to convince others" that this is probably an AI generated photo is only about the need in general to call out fakery when I see it. If we're not critical and careful about that when it doesn't matter much, then we just open the doors for more of it when it does.
Looking at the original, non cropped image, that's on X, it has a trash can. The glasses right side, his left, shows the reflection of the trash can. Really, go look at the original photo, it's not all that odd. And really, there's nothing about this that looks AI generated. I'd love to see someone attempt to recreate this with AI, especially from two completely different angles of the same person without any error. It just doesn't seem feasible without extensive work or just full on manipulation that could take hours. Again, faking it seems too unlikely for a prank to get attention.
People put too much stock into what AI can accomplish. I'd love to see similar examples of AI generated photos that look like this, because then I could at least agree that AI makes images like this. From what I've seen, it doesn't.
But don't worry, we're quite careful. And don't you think that someone would have pointed out it was fake and provided evidence if it were? This photo was prominently posted all over several popular Apple websites and examined by a lot of people. If there were evidence of it being AI, it would have been revealed by now.
That's all I'm saying. It's like faking the moon landing -- that would be a lot of people know something and never share it. The story here is simple, someone that knows what to look for spotted it, shot a photo, and posted it to social media.If evidence appears beyond an individual in a forum speculating, I'll happily reexamine it. That would be something we'd certainly cover! -
No India tariff deal means Apple will face iPhone import fees eight times higher than befo...
9secondkox2 said:8x? Last I checked 25% from 10% is 2.5X. And we don't know the minutiae. So if that sticks, I doubt it's going to be some crazy trouble for apple. The president is pretty good at this stuff. I'll wait for more concrete news to break regarding the details on this before reacting. but from what I have seen so far, including with the UK. Trump is doing great things with these trade deals. We wanted fair balance. And so far, we are getting it and then some. Looking forward to see how India responds.
And no, announcing you sent a letter to a country saying what tariffs the US will pay them on imports isn't the same as making a deal.Things are still upside down, the economy is still dropping each quarter, and US citizens have less spending power than they've had in years. I just hope Apple doesn't raise iPhone 17 prices globally to make up for this unfounded US policy shift.