Wesley_Hilliard

MplsP said:

jcc said:

Cook said a long time ago that’s like comparing a truck to a refrigerator. They serve different purposes.

umm...no. They are both computers. Apple was even pushing the iPad as a laptop replacement a few years ago.

I had another example last night of what's wrong with iPad OS. I was trying to use iAnnotate to edit and mark up some PDFs. They were saved on my iCloud Drive but of course iAnnotate can't access them there; they have to be in a special folder. This is a perfect task to do on an iPad with an Apple Pencil but the limitations of the iPad file system make it unusable.

damonf said:

Xed said:

So this guy had ADP enabled but probably also used a PIN instead of a complex passcode for his device?

Personally, I waited a long time before enabling ADP because of the very clear warnings Apple gives before enabling it.

AppleInsider said:

While under ADP the Recovery Key is needed, the suit insists that Apple is still capable of doing something about the situation. Mathews' lawyer K. Jon Breyer says it is "indefensible" for Apple to hold onto the data "they don't own."

We'd hate to do that so we'll go ahead and delete that encrypted file off our servers by deleting your iCloud account. Happy?

Whereas I disagree with the suit that Apple can do anything after the fact for this user, it is rather dumb that ADP exists to protect iCloud data tied to an Apple Account (formerly Apple ID), yet in the enabling/disabling process for ADP there is never a prompt from the Settings app to enter one's Apple Account password to proceed.  All it takes is snatching someone's unlocked iPhone out of their hands and running off and quickly enabling ADP.  The ability to enable it without so much as having to enter one's Apple Account password despite the fact that it can lock one out of iCloud data is preposterous.  It is too easy to enable and needs some additional safeguards to prevent abuse.

gatorguy said:

Wesley Hilliard said:

9secondkox2 said:

Wesley Hilliard said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

twolf2919 said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

Agree - I can't imagine Apple doubling-down on a design they know didn't get enough sales.  They need to face reality: there simply isn't much of a mass market for a device costing multiple thousands of dollars that can only really be used in private, since it's too cumbersome to use on the go - and you look like a  complete tool if you do.

To this day I have no idea why Tim Cook let himself by led into this technological dead end called the Vision Pro.  i remember him clearly stating that Apple's next big thing would be AR glasses.  Somehow he got convinced by someone that these devices must be standalone products rather than an iPhone dependent one like Apple Watch and AirPods.  Unfortunately, that decision meant the future devices needed to cram a lot of CPU power and battery capacity into what needed to be a very light, small device - glasses!  The AVP VR headset became their first stab at it.  But it seems obvious that they will never be able to shrink that down to glasses anyone is willing to wear.

Google produced useful AR glasses TWELVE years ago.  If Apple hadn't gone down the wrong path, I'm sure they could have developed a sleek, much better product given all the miniaturization that's taken place win a decade.

Both of your assumptions are based on the idea that Apple sees Apple Vision Pro as some kind of failure. Only Apple knows what its goals for the device were and if it met them or have been satisfied. Your personal opinions are not part of Apple's calculus here.

Tim Cook shouting its praises well ahead of launch and pushing it as the next big thing only to be met with a teoid response. Cook was reduced to calling it an early adopter product, etc. 

apple most definitely views it the way everyone else does - a flop. Of course apple won’t publicly state that. They still have to sell the thing snd don’t want to be viewed as having made another mistake. 

I know you are personally a customer and a fan. But for most everyone else, it’s…a headset. And headsets just aren’t it. Never have been and aren’t now. Any further investment in headsets is foolish. When it’s a pair of glasses/sunglasses, that would be big. And if apple doesn’t want to innovate to that degree, they can arill do a headset, but tether it to a Mac or iPhone/ipad while reducing features in order to make the niche device priced accordingly. A 499 device would probably find its way in most apple customers’s lives. Continuing along the lines of the current VP will see it continue its downward trajectory. 

Many of us called it back when it was just a rumor. Headsets just aren’t going anywhere meaningful and crazy expensive headsets doubly so. 

A cheap headset would fare better. But glasses /shades would be the ultimate form of the Vision Pro concept. If done right, they could fit in anyone’s lifestyle and would likely be widely adopted. 

9secondkox2 said:

mattinoz said:

9secondkox2 said:

Wesley Hilliard said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

twolf2919 said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

Agree - I can't imagine Apple doubling-down on a design they know didn't get enough sales.  They need to face reality: there simply isn't much of a mass market for a device costing multiple thousands of dollars that can only really be used in private, since it's too cumbersome to use on the go - and you look like a  complete tool if you do.

To this day I have no idea why Tim Cook let himself by led into this technological dead end called the Vision Pro.  i remember him clearly stating that Apple's next big thing would be AR glasses.  Somehow he got convinced by someone that these devices must be standalone products rather than an iPhone dependent one like Apple Watch and AirPods.  Unfortunately, that decision meant the future devices needed to cram a lot of CPU power and battery capacity into what needed to be a very light, small device - glasses!  The AVP VR headset became their first stab at it.  But it seems obvious that they will never be able to shrink that down to glasses anyone is willing to wear.

Google produced useful AR glasses TWELVE years ago.  If Apple hadn't gone down the wrong path, I'm sure they could have developed a sleek, much better product given all the miniaturization that's taken place win a decade.

Both of your assumptions are based on the idea that Apple sees Apple Vision Pro as some kind of failure. Only Apple knows what its goals for the device were and if it met them or have been satisfied. Your personal opinions are not part of Apple's calculus here.

Tim Cook shouting its praises well ahead of launch and pushing it as the next big thing only to be met with a teoid response. Cook was reduced to calling it an early adopter product, etc. 

apple most definitely views it the way everyone else does - a flop. Of course apple won’t publicly state that. They still have to sell the thing snd don’t want to be viewed as having made another mistake. 

I know you are personally a customer and a fan. But for most everyone else, it’s…a headset. And headsets just aren’t it. Never have been and aren’t now. Any further investment in headsets is foolish. When it’s a pair of glasses/sunglasses, that would be big. And if apple doesn’t want to innovate to that degree, they can arill do a headset, but tether it to a Mac or iPhone/ipad while reducing features in order to make the niche device priced accordingly. A 499 device would probably find its way in most apple customers’s lives. Continuing along the lines of the current VP will see it continue its downward trajectory. 

Many of us called it back when it was just a rumor. Headsets just aren’t going anywhere meaningful and crazy expensive headsets doubly so. 

A cheap headset would fare better. But glasses /shades would be the ultimate form of the Vision Pro concept. If done right, they could fit in anyone’s lifestyle and would likely be widely adopted. 

Can you point to a quote of Tim Cook suggesting it was a mass market product because the launch key note and a couple of things I’ve found are very clear they are calling it the start of journey like the Mac and the iPhone were the start of journeys?

so later when is quoted saying "Right now, it's an early-adopter product. People who want to have tomorrow's technology today—that's who it's for. Fortunately, there's enough people who are in that camp that it's exciting."

that seems very much a supportive clarification of what was said at launch than admitting defeat like many doomsayers want to bill it as. 

Tim Cook never refers to products as “mass market” etc. they just are. 

It’s only when they aren’t a huge hit that we get the qualifiers:

Apple TV was a “hobby” according to jobs. 

Scuba gear was a ln “early adopter” product according to cook. 

Apple makes great things. Rarely they don’t land thst well. The headset was never going to be big. 

Booth of these statements are, again, your opinion. And regardless of your opinion, Apple Vision Pro isn't going anywhere. Cook seems to be single minded in pushing for glasses, but I expect it'll be some time before those arrive in any form more substantial than Meta Ray Bans, which are just AirPods that cover your eyes.

https://www.ted.com/talks/shahram_izadi_the_next_computer_your_glasses

9secondkox2 said:

Wesley Hilliard said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

twolf2919 said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

Agree - I can't imagine Apple doubling-down on a design they know didn't get enough sales.  They need to face reality: there simply isn't much of a mass market for a device costing multiple thousands of dollars that can only really be used in private, since it's too cumbersome to use on the go - and you look like a  complete tool if you do.

To this day I have no idea why Tim Cook let himself by led into this technological dead end called the Vision Pro.  i remember him clearly stating that Apple's next big thing would be AR glasses.  Somehow he got convinced by someone that these devices must be standalone products rather than an iPhone dependent one like Apple Watch and AirPods.  Unfortunately, that decision meant the future devices needed to cram a lot of CPU power and battery capacity into what needed to be a very light, small device - glasses!  The AVP VR headset became their first stab at it.  But it seems obvious that they will never be able to shrink that down to glasses anyone is willing to wear.

Google produced useful AR glasses TWELVE years ago.  If Apple hadn't gone down the wrong path, I'm sure they could have developed a sleek, much better product given all the miniaturization that's taken place win a decade.

Both of your assumptions are based on the idea that Apple sees Apple Vision Pro as some kind of failure. Only Apple knows what its goals for the device were and if it met them or have been satisfied. Your personal opinions are not part of Apple's calculus here.

Tim Cook shouting its praises well ahead of launch and pushing it as the next big thing only to be met with a teoid response. Cook was reduced to calling it an early adopter product, etc. 

apple most definitely views it the way everyone else does - a flop. Of course apple won’t publicly state that. They still have to sell the thing snd don’t want to be viewed as having made another mistake. 

I know you are personally a customer and a fan. But for most everyone else, it’s…a headset. And headsets just aren’t it. Never have been and aren’t now. Any further investment in headsets is foolish. When it’s a pair of glasses/sunglasses, that would be big. And if apple doesn’t want to innovate to that degree, they can arill do a headset, but tether it to a Mac or iPhone/ipad while reducing features in order to make the niche device priced accordingly. A 499 device would probably find its way in most apple customers’s lives. Continuing along the lines of the current VP will see it continue its downward trajectory. 

Many of us called it back when it was just a rumor. Headsets just aren’t going anywhere meaningful and crazy expensive headsets doubly so. 

A cheap headset would fare better. But glasses /shades would be the ultimate form of the Vision Pro concept. If done right, they could fit in anyone’s lifestyle and would likely be widely adopted. 

9secondkox2 said:

mattinoz said:

9secondkox2 said:

Wesley Hilliard said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

twolf2919 said:

9secondkox2 said:

Difficult to see apple producing snother headset. Maybe if the did a super cheap version. But not just changing a few things. 

Either go all in with glasses for mass market or do the cheap tethered thing, but with great cameras and screens. Otherwise it will just be the same or maybe rvrn worse now that the early adopters are saturated with the expensive version one. 

Agree - I can't imagine Apple doubling-down on a design they know didn't get enough sales.  They need to face reality: there simply isn't much of a mass market for a device costing multiple thousands of dollars that can only really be used in private, since it's too cumbersome to use on the go - and you look like a  complete tool if you do.

To this day I have no idea why Tim Cook let himself by led into this technological dead end called the Vision Pro.  i remember him clearly stating that Apple's next big thing would be AR glasses.  Somehow he got convinced by someone that these devices must be standalone products rather than an iPhone dependent one like Apple Watch and AirPods.  Unfortunately, that decision meant the future devices needed to cram a lot of CPU power and battery capacity into what needed to be a very light, small device - glasses!  The AVP VR headset became their first stab at it.  But it seems obvious that they will never be able to shrink that down to glasses anyone is willing to wear.

Google produced useful AR glasses TWELVE years ago.  If Apple hadn't gone down the wrong path, I'm sure they could have developed a sleek, much better product given all the miniaturization that's taken place win a decade.

Both of your assumptions are based on the idea that Apple sees Apple Vision Pro as some kind of failure. Only Apple knows what its goals for the device were and if it met them or have been satisfied. Your personal opinions are not part of Apple's calculus here.

Tim Cook shouting its praises well ahead of launch and pushing it as the next big thing only to be met with a teoid response. Cook was reduced to calling it an early adopter product, etc. 

apple most definitely views it the way everyone else does - a flop. Of course apple won’t publicly state that. They still have to sell the thing snd don’t want to be viewed as having made another mistake. 

I know you are personally a customer and a fan. But for most everyone else, it’s…a headset. And headsets just aren’t it. Never have been and aren’t now. Any further investment in headsets is foolish. When it’s a pair of glasses/sunglasses, that would be big. And if apple doesn’t want to innovate to that degree, they can arill do a headset, but tether it to a Mac or iPhone/ipad while reducing features in order to make the niche device priced accordingly. A 499 device would probably find its way in most apple customers’s lives. Continuing along the lines of the current VP will see it continue its downward trajectory. 

Many of us called it back when it was just a rumor. Headsets just aren’t going anywhere meaningful and crazy expensive headsets doubly so. 

A cheap headset would fare better. But glasses /shades would be the ultimate form of the Vision Pro concept. If done right, they could fit in anyone’s lifestyle and would likely be widely adopted. 

Can you point to a quote of Tim Cook suggesting it was a mass market product because the launch key note and a couple of things I’ve found are very clear they are calling it the start of journey like the Mac and the iPhone were the start of journeys?

so later when is quoted saying "Right now, it's an early-adopter product. People who want to have tomorrow's technology today—that's who it's for. Fortunately, there's enough people who are in that camp that it's exciting."

that seems very much a supportive clarification of what was said at launch than admitting defeat like many doomsayers want to bill it as. 

Tim Cook never refers to products as “mass market” etc. they just are. 

It’s only when they aren’t a huge hit that we get the qualifiers:

Apple TV was a “hobby” according to jobs. 

Scuba gear was a ln “early adopter” product according to cook. 

Apple makes great things. Rarely they don’t land thst well. The headset was never going to be big.