commentzilla said:

KITA said:

commentzilla said:

KITA said:

commentzilla said:

KITA said:

commentzilla said:

KITA said:

entropys said:

pulseimages said:

I wish Apple would put discrete graphics into it’s smaller MBP, it is a Pro model after all! 

Probably too many thermal and battery issues. Now, if they put an AMD Ryzen in there that might expand the Possibilities.

Razer did a pretty good job putting a GTX 1650 Ti Max-Q in a 3 lbs 13" laptop, and lesser dGPUs like the MX250/MX350 could also work.

Ryzen 4000 U would have made a big difference.

Here's a budget $650 Acer laptop that beats out even the most powerful MBP 13". It's using Ryzen 7 4700U. It has 8 cores / 8 threads + Vega 7 graphics.

  

1065G7 is not the most powerful processor in the 13" MBP 2020. The most powerful is the i7 1068NG7 28W  chip with the Intel Iris Plus. It may still not be as fast but it will be able to sustain a higher speeds with 28W vs the 15W in the Ryzen.

The MBP with the 28W i5 only scored ~1700 points. The i7 is not going to come anything close to the Ryzen 4700U in that test.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb1W_Zbg-FQ

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I'd also mention that the 27W Ryzen 7 4800U (8 cores / 16 threads + Vega 8) scores almost 3600:

I never said the 28W i7 would be faster than the 15W 4700U Ryzen in a Cinebench test. I'm just talking about the processor in general under sustained load since I don't play games or use 3D application, so for me this kind of test isn't important.

I more interested in general real world CPU speed, SSD speed and encoding speeds. The Mac certainly has an advantage in the last two because of the T-2 chip (video encoding/decoding and SSD encryption) and Apple's SSD (best in class speeds). But there are also other things you won't find in that $650 laptop like a best in class T-1 chip fingerprint reader, a best in class Trackpad, 4x full-speed Thunderbolt ports and what are apparently some of the best speakers in a slim laptop.

There's a lot more to a laptop than just the CPU/GPU which affect the experience and the price.

Below is from the review on Tom's Hardware... the display just makes it useless for any professional grade video or photography. Despite having an awesome Ryzen processor it doesn't really seem to outpace the Del XPS with a 1056G7 in any meaningful way other than 3D.

You have to compare Apples to Apples when looking at the value of a laptop. That $650 laptop would easily cost $1799 if it had comparable all around specs.

You missed the context of my post to entropys comment. I'm not comparing the Acer laptop to the MBP as an alternative, I'm saying the price as it is relevant in showing what the barrier of entry is for that type of chip. Even as poorly implemented as it is in the Acer, it still comes out with exceptional results. My point is that a MBP 13 (or Surface Book 3 or Dell XPS 13 or Razer Blade Stealth 13, etc.) would be better suited with a Ryzen chip vs a more expensive Intel chip.

Which is why Apple will move to ARM and blow past all of them to include onboard graphics.

Awesome! When Apple manages to create these ARM chips and finds some way to migrate the x86 ecosystem to it (Windows compatibility too) and still blow past the competition (Intel, AMD, NVIDIA), then I'll be the first one in line to buy one of these computers.

However, until that time, these are the only real chips that are currently on the market today and function with the vast majority of productivity software in existence. So my point still stands - the Ryzen chips would have been a better choice.

The ARM chips in the iPads and iPhones already match mid-level INTEL mobile chips and surpass them in graphics, while other companies have already shown ARM can best anything INTEL or AMD can manufacture even at the server level. The future is very much closer than you think. FYI they already exist. And if you've been around since the PPC to INTEL transition everything is already in place for the software transition which for the most part will only require most developers to recompile their software for ARM. Apple has been here before but now they have the hardware and CPU/GPUs under their control. Forget about INTEL compatibility is a tiny minor of Mac users and that's what VMs are for. In any case, ARM will begin to undercut INTEL and AMD in the PC market just as it took over the smartphone and tablet market.

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dyonoctis said:

commentzilla said:

KITA said:

commentzilla said:

KITA said:

entropys said:

pulseimages said:

Acer Swift 3 (AMD): Meet Ryzen 7 4700U

FOR

A nice processor that has an advantage with 3D application

AGAINST

• Display is dark with poor contrast
• Audio lacks bass
• Webcam image is barely visible regardless of lighting
• Build quality feels fragile
• Slow SSD (in comparison to the MBP which blows it out of the water by a factor of 6x)
• Lower resolution display
• Poor color range
• No Thunderbolt (integrated into the 10th GEN Intel chips)
• Lackluster trackpad
• Lackluster finger printer reader and no T-1 Chip security
• No T-2 Chip with on the fly encryption and encoding which takes load off of the CPU
• Only a single cooling fan which may cause CPU/GPU throttling under load
• Older LPDDR4 RAM which is less power efficient
• Etc, etc, etc,.

Just Fyi, on windows platform gpu's have a decoder/encoder engine (amd gpu got one as well), and AMD cpu have an arm cpu (psp) inside who's handling security features

Still not as good as the T-2 secure enclave. Yeah, they have all the bullet points and spec but still not as good and everyone knows it.

lkrupp said:

The only thing about DED’s editorials is that he is a sort of Don Quixote fighting windmills. The tech media doesn’t like Apple, they never have and never will. Apple is anathema to most tech writers, geeks, nerds, and many AI commenters. For this crowd Apple shouldn’t even exist and they cannot accept that it does. No other big tech company triggers so much hate and vitriol, not even Google. The knives are constantly out looking for potential ways to take Apple down. If there’s even a glimmer of hope for a failure of some sort it is trotted out like a prize catch. So fight on, Mr. Dilger but I doubt you will change any minds, especially here in AI forums.

Beats said:

This is a strange segment. I would have bet my life Samsung would've released a knockoff version and outsold Apple by undercutting them.

This is iPod all over again. As soon as one of the Apple-wannabe companies ripoff Watch, it will be 2nd or even 1st place(sales). This is what helped Fitbit so much, except Fitbit has an ounce of originality.

Whenever a company tries to be original they fail, goes to show how much these companies actually suck as they cannot stand on their own. How long will Android Watches hold out from making knockoffs until they tap out from no one wanting them?