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Gaby said:

The majority of hardware features that make it onto Android first are simply ideas Apple patented years ago but either haven’t perfected yet, or because they need them in such vast quantities that it’s easier for Android device makers to rush to market when by comparison they sell very few handsets! Beyond that they bring pointless fad features that Apple purposefully leaked as a distraction. Don’t get me wrong it’s not always the case and sometimes Apple may introduce features that genuinely debuted on other handsets, but 90% of the time that is exactly what happens. 

100% wrong and utterly delusional. Most Android innovations are developed either by Google's software division or Samsung's component division. Other than the Ax/Mx chips Apple doesn't do basic components. Never has. That sort of basic physics/chemistry/solid state electronics stuff has never been their cup of tea. Samsung meanwhile is currently the best in the world at it. And no, Apple has never done software innovation either. They are a hardware company, plus OS because that is hardware implemented as software. Apple's software deficiencies are what cost them the market share against Microsoft and Wintel, and it is what cost them the market share against Google and Android. If you believe otherwise, then you are no different from those sports fans who are convinced that A. their team is going to win the championship every year and B. that it is going to happen because their players and coaches aren't just better athletes than the competition but better people with better fans, traditions, institutions etc. In other words, total nonsense.

Beats said:

This reminds me of when people argue and they bring irrelevant points into the conversation.
”You never paid me back my $20.... oh and your diet is horrible!!”

I always thought Apple should charge $1 a month for iMessage and FaceTime on android. 

And this logic that Apple has to lend a helping hand to knockoffs who already stole software and hardware from Apple is ridiculous. I don’t know why @"avon b7" wants iKnockoffs to be EVEN MORE similar. How much more similar should knockoff iPhones be? At that point “customer choice” is an illusion. It’s already an illusion on Android when 99% of the device are identical across the board. I hate that people scream “anti-competitive!” When a company invents or develops projects but doesn’t share them.

What next? Nintendo expected to port their library of games to Xbox? Walmart expected to build stores for the competition? Porn allowed on YouTube? Netflix produced shows on Hulu?

because “anti-competitive!!”

Android stole software and hardware from Apple?
How when:

1. iOS uses Objective C and Swift. Android uses Java (sorta), Kotlin and soon Rust
2. Apple uses the Ax. Android uses Qualcomm, MediaTek and Samsung Exynos
3. Most - or actually pretty much all - hardware features debut on Android years before they get to iOS. The only exception is iOS getting 64 bit CPUs and fingerprint scanners first.

Also, 99% of Android devices aren't identical across the board. And your comparisons to iMessage not being on Android make no sense either, as Apple Music has been on Android for years and Apple TV+ is on its way there. So yeah, 100% of the content in  your post is wrong. You and I agree here, but your zeal to trash Android has utterly poisoned your thinking. I guess because your sincere and utter desire for Apple to have a mobile monopoly prevents you from making accurate arguments as to why they aren't one.

Why is this a headline? I thought it was:

A. common knowledge

and

B. standard business practice

Before people say "but Google" ... when did YouTube, Gmail, Chrome, Google Maps etc. get released on Windows Phone again? Or even in the Windows Store so that they can be installed on Microsoft's various attempts to compete with ChromeOS (Windows Education, Windows 10S and soon Windows 10X)? Microsoft fans to this day grumble that Google's refusing to release Windows Mobile apps for their services killed any chance that it had to survive. (What they leave out was that Microsoft's locking out Google services from their mobile platforms is what caused Google to create Android in the first place. A decision that Microsoft surely regrets to this day.)

igorsky said:

Yeah because “beating Apple to the market” has been such a successful strategy for Samsung.

Yeah, because Samsung hasn't sold more computing devices than any other company in history.
Because Samsung doesn't have the #1 smart TV platform right now.
Because Samsung doesn't have the #2 wearables platform right now. 
Because Apple hasn't spent the last 6 years copying Samsung's ideas (AMOLED, phablet, stylus, curved screen, smartwatch, AirPods) and won't be taking more in the future (foldables, in-screen fingerprint sensors)
Because Samsung actually hasn't had a better track record in the smart era than Google, and as if Android wouldn't have likely failed had it not been for Samsung's input, and as if other Google products - i.e. Android TV, Android Wear, Chromebooks, Android Things, smart speakers and appliances - wouldn't be a lot better off had Samsung not shunned them in favor of their own products

Apple is #1. Good for them. I participate on this site because I buy their products. But Samsung is a very strong #2 and they are for a reason, holding off or crushing outright formidable competitors like Nokia, Microsoft, Motorola, LG, HTC, Google (who fought a losing battle with Samsung for years that they are still suffering the effects of), Apple (whose legal and PR strategies to drive Samsung from the market failed leaving Apple with "we can't beat them so join them" attitude, which Microsoft later adopted, and note that Microsoft makes Samsung their Android partner, not Google) and Sony for a reason. The only thing that you get out of denying this is frustration.

commentzilla said:

Getting desperate as the iPhone eats into Android.

You guys have been claiming this since 2008. Maybe it will be true by 2024. And quite the contrary, Google should be in a celebratory mood now that Oracle's ridiculous lawsuit nonsense is finally over after 11 years.