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wood1208 said:

If Apple is serious about video games business than design and create game console.

3 reasons why this makes no sense.

1. Video game revenue on iOS dwarfs video game revenue on PlayStation, XBox and Nintendo combined.
2. Since XBox in 2001 there have been no successful new video game platforms. Quite the contrary we have seen major entities like Sega leave the console market since then. 
3. Mobile gaming - which has been a thing for going on 15 years - as well as PC gaming (multiple successful platforms) as well as cloud gaming (including those that incorporate existing console and PC gaming platforms like GeForce Now with Steam and xCloud with XBox) means that launching a new gaming console platform will be impossible.

Sorry. That ship has sailed. The opportunity for Apple to get into console gaming would have been years ago when Nintendo and XBox were both in their doldrums.

Beats said:

I would LOVE to have a company that makes 1% profit of Apple's products.

Excellent. Then you realize the position of the many companies that makes Android phones and tablets that you deride as failures for selling only - say - 25 million units a year.

But specific to this issue, you are not considering FoxConn's plight here. 1% of Apple's profits is fine if you are a small outfit like the aforementioned Android manufacturer whose expenses are only 0.75% of Apple's. But if you are a massive company with huge intrinsic expenses like FoxConn, you are skating on thin ice. Any number of things beyond your control - exchange rates, political decisions, natural disasters, issues with your own suppliers, economic downturns etc. - can erase your profit margin. Low profit margin over a period of time means you will lose your best talent, be unable to make the sort of R&D/equipment/facilities investments necessary to stay ahead of the competition, etc. 

Seriously, stuff like this results in Apple suppliers going out of business more often than people realize. When it happens, Apple just moves on to the next supplier and end users buy the products just the same. Because of this, suppliers need to look out for themselves because no one else - including Apple - is going to. 

ThinkmanDuv said:

Apple should never allow anything to do with Fuckerberg on their devices. 

ThinkmanDuv said:

Apple should never allow anything to do with Fuckerberg on their devices. 

SURE ... if Apple wants their sales to plummet. Makes as much sense as blocking YouTube and Gmail. You don't think that Google didn't want to block the Facebook apps back when they were desperate to get Google+ going? They knew that virtually no one would have bought Android devices if they had. 

docbburk said:

Isn’t this very similar to Microsoft not allowing any other browser to be pre installed on windows machine?  The old internet explorer antitrust suit.  Take your fine Google, then let android handsets come with other search options be installed as the initial default.  If what Google says is true, then they shouldn’t have any issue with doing that, and shouldn’t fear losing revenue. 

Personally, rather than have that happen, I would rather Google simply ditch Android. Google needed Android at the time as they were on the verge of being run out of business by the combination of Yahoo - which was much larger and wealthier at the time - and Microsoft (at the time the biggest and most powerful company in the world and to this day still much larger and wealthier). Now they can survive without Android. So they should just go ahead and do it.

So - even though I personally love my Samsung Galaxy devices - Google should just dump it. That would make everyone happy, right? Let the EU, DOJ and all the other whiners who blame Google for all their problems take it over and see if they could do a better job. Yeah right ... fat chance of that happening. The result would just be even bigger market share by Apple and then Microsoft bringing back Windows Phone to fill the need for devices that cost less than $400 (and cost less than $800 if you want something with a screen bigger than 5.5 inches, which the global marketplace clearly shows that the vast majority of consumers do, including now most Apple fans). And what a wonderful world that would be ...

A power move: after ditching Android, Google could simply put ChromeOS on mobile phones. Result? Everyone who uses Android now would switch to that because that is the OS that Google still supports and the OS that is integrated with Google services out of the box. So go ahead DOJ. Make Android no longer worth the huge trouble and significant expense of Google maintaining it. I have been wanting a ChromeOS phone for years anyway.

Or even better: maybe it would drive Google to stop dawdling and finally release Fuchsia! That's the funny part. Google has been working on Fuchsia for years and is already prepared for the post-Android world that these whiners who are so desperate to go back to the Microsoft-Apple duopoly in PCs that we were forced to live in for 40 years (thankfully ChromeOS has FINALLY gotten enough market share to be a viable alternative). Those were great times, weren't they? Well hey, go ahead, sue Google and take us back to the good ole days where there were only two companies providing commercially available operating systems (and one of those only provides it to you with their hardware, making it effectively just one).

roake said:

coolfactor said:

I normally defend most decisions that Apple makes, but this feels like a dick move to me. Unless users are somehow put at risk, I can't think of a single reason for the removal of this app. And I'm not a gamer.

If this app is putting users are risk, then I support its removal, with the condition that the issues be addressed. But I'm learning towards Apple just not liking that something is competing with Arcade and their "service" revenues.

Even if that is the case, the Developers have agreed to Apple’s Terms prior to even getting the development kit.  With apps like this, they are in violation of that agreement.  Apple IS a business; they did not spend tens of billions of dollars building the infrastructure just because of their altruistic nature.  I don’t understand the argument that it’s a “dick move” not to allow Google to utilize that infrastructure for free (or at all for apps in violation of the Agreement).  This app was 100% written to get Google Stadia on iOS devices in violation of the Agreement.  If I were this developer, I would have been shocked if Apple DID NOT remove the app.

Someone better at it than me should check to see if this guy had any professional ties to Google.

And why would Google - a company with a $1 trillion valuation - sponsor this just to get a few thousand users onto a competing platform for a service that is currently losing them money (it will take years for Stadia to break even, assuming that it ever does)? Why on earth would Google prioritize this over, say, a solution that would get Stadia on the tens of millions of Android TV devices? Lots of Apple fans who only buy iPhones and iPads and as a result will never buy an Android phone or tablet or a Chromebook nonetheless own smart TVs with Android TV on it. Android TV would be perfect for those folks! But nah, instead of working on that, we are going to slip a few bucks to some random iOS developer to create an app that is obviously against Apple's terms and will get shut down anyway (frankly I am shocked that Apple took this long to shut it off). Makes perfect sense, right?

Good grief, xCloud, Stadia and GeForce Now are all essentially in beta, are all losing vast quantities of cash, are all primarily commercials to promote their various cloud solutions to enterprise customers as opposed to actual products and services of their own, and will all be on iOS by 2021. So quit it with the conspiracy theories. That you guys are so nervous and protective over the wealthiest and most powerful corporation in the world as if it is some beloved mom-and-pop corner restaurant owned by dear relatives or something is absolutely crazy.