Jlong

nicholfd said:

Jlong said:

foregoneconclusion said:

Jlong said:

Everyone has been going back and forth but at the end of the day, let me put it in this way:

• There is 1 place where you can get IOS apps.
• There is 1 place where a developer can sell IOS apps
• There is 1 place where you can buy IOS apps.

Notice how it's always "1" place? This is the main issue, and in this regards Apple does have a monopoly (since only apple can sell IOS apps).

Apple chose to use the console model for software distribution for iOS. The console model is not a violation of antitrust laws. For example, Nintendo won a major lawsuit in the U.S. where the judge ruled that Nintendo's total control of software on the platform did not constitute an antitrust violation. Apple also won a major lawsuit against Psystar in the U.S. where part of the ruling said that Apple's computer hardware could not be considered a monopoly in and of itself. The judge cited Apple's extensive use of advertising for its hardware products as proof that it was part of a competitive market. 

This is not about platform or hardware, this is about selling/getting products. I can go to best buy, game stop, amazon, Walmart, target, and etc and buy a Nintendo game. That's 5 places off the top of my head where a game can be purchased (outside of the official Nintendo store). Can i walk into any of  those stores for an IOS game? No. There difference between Nintendo and Apple is that, Nintendo gave consumers other venues to purchase their goods.

Do you understand that even there, Nintendo still gets their 30%, approves the game, etc.?  Not so different, huh?

GeorgeBMac said:

Jlong said:

Everyone has been going back and forth but at the end of the day, let me put it in this way:

• There is 1 place where you can get IOS apps.
• There is 1 place where a developer can sell IOS apps
• There is 1 place where you can buy IOS apps.

Notice how it's always "1" place? This is the main issue, and in this regards Apple does have a monopoly (since only apple can sell IOS apps). Apple isn't denying this but also not acknowledging it because it's stupid to do so. Their statements/counterpoints about security and etc so far all point toward one narrative and for one outcome. And the outcome is to disallow side loading apps, disallow 3rd party app stores and for Apple to be the sole gatekeeper, in other words have a monopoly PROTECT THE PRIVACY AND SECURITY OF ITS USERS.

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nicholfd said:

Jlong said:

nicholfd said:

Jlong said:

Everyone has been going back and forth but at the end of the day, let me put it in this way:

• There is 1 place where you can get IOS apps.
• There is 1 place where a developer can sell IOS apps
• There is 1 place where you can buy IOS apps.

Notice how it's always "1" place? This is the main issue, and in this regards Apple does have a monopoly (since only apple can sell IOS apps). Apple isn't denying this but also not acknowledging it because it's stupid to do so. Their statements/counterpoints about security and etc so far all point toward one narrative and for one outcome. And the outcome is to disallow side loading apps, disallow 3rd party app stores and for Apple to be the sole gatekeeper, in other words have a monopoly. 

Yep - because there's only one company that makes iOS & iOS compatible devices.  Apple.  This does not make it a monopoly.

It's their product and consumers can decide to buy it, or buy Android.  Consumers have a choice.

1. Apple makes some of the IOS apps,

2. Apple does not make all the IOS apps.

The monopoly isn't about Apple making apple devices either, the monopoly lies in the way that you can get, sell and install the apps. There is only 1 place where you can get IOS apps.

As for consumer choice, there is no consumer choice. You're confusing all "apps" vs "IOS Apps". There are many ways to get "apps" but 1 way to get IOS apps. 

You missed the point.  It's Apples product and Apples ecosystem.  Apple sets the rules.  Period.

There is consumer choice - Android.  Don't like Apple's mobile products/ecosystem/rules?  Buy Android.

What do you think about Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft's gaming systems?  They only allow "apps" (games generally, but not necessarily - Plex, VLC, etc.) to be sold through their App Store & mandate the same % cut.  Their products, their ecosystems, their rules.  

foregoneconclusion said:

Jlong said:

Everyone has been going back and forth but at the end of the day, let me put it in this way:

• There is 1 place where you can get IOS apps.
• There is 1 place where a developer can sell IOS apps
• There is 1 place where you can buy IOS apps.

Notice how it's always "1" place? This is the main issue, and in this regards Apple does have a monopoly (since only apple can sell IOS apps).

Apple chose to use the console model for software distribution for iOS. The console model is not a violation of antitrust laws. For example, Nintendo won a major lawsuit in the U.S. where the judge ruled that Nintendo's total control of software on the platform did not constitute an antitrust violation. Apple also won a major lawsuit against Psystar in the U.S. where part of the ruling said that Apple's computer hardware could not be considered a monopoly in and of itself. The judge cited Apple's extensive use of advertising for its hardware products as proof that it was part of a competitive market. 

nicholfd said:

Jlong said:

Everyone has been going back and forth but at the end of the day, let me put it in this way:

• There is 1 place where you can get IOS apps.
• There is 1 place where a developer can sell IOS apps
• There is 1 place where you can buy IOS apps.

Notice how it's always "1" place? This is the main issue, and in this regards Apple does have a monopoly (since only apple can sell IOS apps). Apple isn't denying this but also not acknowledging it because it's stupid to do so. Their statements/counterpoints about security and etc so far all point toward one narrative and for one outcome. And the outcome is to disallow side loading apps, disallow 3rd party app stores and for Apple to be the sole gatekeeper, in other words have a monopoly. 

Yep - because there's only one company that makes iOS & iOS compatible devices.  Apple.  This does not make it a monopoly.

It's their product and consumers can decide to buy it, or buy Android.  Consumers have a choice.