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You would be dense to bet against anything that makes porn that much better…

Viagra? Oh barely got its sales up at all… Yeee, this one is a slam dunk.


This is a krass point, but it is very much the truth of it all, denying human natures influence on something like this is short sighted. And if it is true for one thing, it is true for a myriad of other things.

I have a painting program in quest 2 that is better then photoshop by miles. Why? it is like painting in real life. The brush acts like a real brush. With better processing and fidelity it will be even better.

I don’t care to defend AR or VR anymore, I dont care what other people think. I know I will find a use for it.

Tech is lining up the next few years to make AR/VR crazy good and compress the package by alot.

Marvin said:

dk49 said:

How does it compare to the best desktop CPUs from Intel/AMD? Also how far behind is it from the high end Nvidia GPUs? 

These scores show a 50-80% CPU increase. M2 Ultra scores 48k on the following page:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

If that goes up 50%, it will be 72k. 80% would be 86k. M3 Ultra would then be roughly the same as the Threadripper Pro 5975WX. The tops ones cost over $5k and the performance of the others is within 30%.
The M3 Max rivals the top current Intel/AMD laptop CPUs ( https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html ).

From Apple's GPU test, it looks like M3 Max GPU improves raw performance by 20%. Number of cores only went up about 5%. For non-raytraced performance, M2 Max is around a 3070 laptop. 20% boost will bring M3 Max GPU to a 4070/3080 laptop.

The big gain with the GPU is hardware raytracing. For 3D rendering, that should make it competitive with Nvidia/AMD.

M3 Ultra GPU probably won't scale 100% but it should reach at least 80% higher than M3 Max so between a laptop and desktop 4080. Nvidia 4090 will be around 50% higher.

M4 Ultra might be able to match a 4090 but when it launches, Nvidia will be onto the 5090, which will be 70% faster but this GPU can use 400W so it will always be able to run faster. Being within 60-70% of the best performance of AMD/Intel/Nvidia is competitive, most tasks would show a negligible difference and the Macs run silently, at full speed on battery in light, portable form factors and with huge amounts of graphics memory (Nvidia 4090 has 24GB, Ultra will probably have up to 256GB).

This was what I was expecting when I saw the A17PRO... Apple needed feature parity with a Intel/Amd w atleast a Nvidia 4080 performance and Ray Tracing + denoise and upscaling. AND they are delivering!

I am in the market for a M3 Ultra workstation come 2024 for sure. Ideally with 128GB or more ram. I will run realtime animation in blender and unreal engine. Now... What if I buy a Vision Pro instead of displays?

For one thing… iOS as a gaming platform is already immense. xbox and sony together do not equal iOS as a gaming platform for income.

The perception however, and also the truth, is that iOS gaming is «not hardcore» gaming. iOS gave birth to ads in games, microtransactions etc. All horrific and shunned by most game enthusiasts.

Apple is trying to build the Apple Arcade thing as a game subscription thing. BUT there is nothing there worthy of subscribing… Microsoft is going a similar direction with the game pass. Netflix wants to offer the same. I think, IF Apple wants significant traction, they will need to buy some game studios and make unique games that are only on Apple Arcade. The dream acquisition/merger would be Nintendo…

Zelda on AR? Pokemon? They would murder the charts.. Imagine.. IF you want to play games, you press Nintendo Arcade and your iPad/iPhone/Mac/Apple TV is a nintendo console with better silicon then the best consoles out there…

It’s an utopian dream though, veryvery slim chance for it to ever happen. But it would be a perfect match in every way.


Apple while not even trying on iOS… Already have one of the biggest gaming platforms… I am sure they can continue kind of as before, and the iOS games will mature, niantiq with pokemon go and etc will be even bigger w Apple Vision coming… Nintendo is looking to join forces with google/alphabet for an AR/VR console… Nintendo is the epitome of «skating where the puck will be» as it were… They saw that Switch would be a great play in the hardware game… And they beat microsoft/sony with that strategy. They knew an ARM phone with AMD gfx would be powerful enough, and they made bank. Now they see that AR/VR will be the huge next thing. Pokemon Go is enough to see that AR will have immense uptake when done good.


Apple doing a bit of marketing for gaming is mainly to address the big flaw in the Apple Silicon transition.. Feature parity with PC gaming/3d rendering as a whole. Macs not having nvidia was okish as long as dual booting was a thing. IF you needed Nvidia, you could still boot into Windows and use a Nvidia card there… Not ideal, but doable. However, when they only offer Apple Silicon gpus that are the rough equivalent of AMD gfx, it left them vulnerable to criticism that AS has weak raytracing… Which M1 and M2 do… Still not horrific, but definitely weak for rendering and games. M3 solves that. Hopefully it will be useable.




tldr: Apple/iOS is already a gaming behemoth, they will fail upwards regardless…

A17 Pro is a good signal and the reveal for what is coming in Apple Silicon M3. 

Raytracing logic is confirmed, neural engine will work with gpu cores to upres and upscale for better performance. Which puts apple roughly on par with Nvidia(featurewise)


Pretty much all the rumoured features and more was revealed and that paints a bright future for M3 macs in the pipeline… I am going to be aiming for a M3 max or ultra for my main workstation in 2024, I suspect it will likely be fast enough for 3d rendering and high end 3d work that the Nvidia advantage will be negligeable. Sure, a 4090 will likely still beat Apple for pure gfx horsepower, however I think as long as AS is close enough, who cares…

I want a quiet and powerful workstation I can do competitive 3d rendering on.. And I think M3 will have that.

Whats more, likely every M3 Mac will be quite impressive. If a Mac mini is comparable to a gaming pc with a 4070… ALOT of people will be interested.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Ai can solve the sterescopic pair for any film tbh.