Stabitha_Christie

9secondkox2 said:

Come on apple! Get it moving!

In addition, the EU has got fire breathing on them in a major way. 

This is all talk at the moment. As we have seen, Trump has a playbook. He will make a strong demand. If there is no effort or negotiation, he will  execute on that promise. Then, when stubborn parties have softened, he will negotiate again, or pivot as needed. This administration is very agile and can turn on a dime. And with Scott bessent factoring so heavily, it’s going to turn out well. 

Trump got criticized for helping apple with exemptions and he will surely get criticized for this. Dude can’t win with some people. 

Trump’s playbook is to do some odd public posturing, panic when it all backfires, look for an off ramp and then completely capitulate. It is exactly what happened whit China. He created complete chaos with his trade war, got mad when people pointed out the chaos and China refused to even negotiate unless their demands were met. The Trump administration met 100% of China’s demands to negotiate and then got nothing in return. I can’t wait to see how the parade of incompetence handles this one and how the Cult attempts to reconcile it all as some sort of win. 

I appreciate the irony of an objectively bad businessman, multiple bankruptcies, multiple failed business ventures) is trying to tell one of the most successful CEOs how to run a business.  

9secondkox2 said:

As history has proven, it is unwise to think we’ve got Trump and his moves all figured out. Pundits will declare this that snd the other, and end up either egg on their faces, such as the China meeting, temporary or no. Such as Apple not getting any exemptions, etc. we’ve seen time and again thst there is a lot of misinformation aimed at harming the presidents reputation. And it’s those producing such hateful rhetoric thst end up looking foolish with their Nostradamus cosplay. He’s even got jinping talking about “trade wars don’t benefit anyone,” despot China waging trade war on the USA for a long time already. 

Now the president is making lucrative deals in Saudi. It seems a lot of people are confident in the current administration snd are putting their money where their mouth is. 

The world was a stage set to see America get smaller and weaker. Now it’s a stage set to see American return to power and strength. 

Tim Cook knows what’s up. He knows that you have to shake things up to break up entrenched ideas and patterns snd grt to where you want to go. It seems things are getting better sooner than anticipated and some of the anti-Trump news voices are just throwing hate - darts hoping something sticks. Kinda seems desperate. 

This is fact free hyperbole and wishful thinking. And that’s being really generous. It somewhat reminds me of  Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf the Iraqi Minister of Information during the second war with Iraq. If you don’t remember his performances head over to YouTube and treat yourself. The video of him saying there are no troops in Baghdad while American tanks roll past him in the background is priceless. 

lordjohnwhorfin said:

I don’t think there’s much of a point confronting cult members with actual facts. It’s like dealing with scientology or jehovah’s witnesses.

You don't do it for the cult members, there is no convincing them to walk away. Some of them may wake up but they kind of have to get there on their own. You call it out so others will see it for what it is and will be less likely to be sucked into the cult. 

9secondkox2 said:

Stabitha_Christie said:

9secondkox2 said:

Great first step. 

Look forward to seeing what’s to come. 

The fact that the usa gets 30% out of this whole China only gets 10% is quite the “art of the deal.”

you could kind of read the Chinese ministers faces exiting the negotiations thst it was something like this. 

People forget how powerful the United States really is. 

will be interesting if progress is made on rare earth. 

Hopefully this means apple can breathe easier while continuing to diversify the supply chain and get serious about efforts at home. 

The only way you can think this is a "deal" is if you didn't actually knew what the tariff rates were prior to the trade war.  And since Cult member aren't exactly known for being informed, we can safely assume you have no clue where we were at trade wise prior to the trade war. I'll catch you up, Trump completely capitulated to China and U.S. companies and customers are stuck paying the bill. Our tariffs on China are higher and Chinese tariffs the didn't exist  four months ago are still there. We literally got nothing but higher prices, and y'all think we won something. This is almost as embarrassing as when you made up a story about getting a pay raise to make a point about income tax only to announce the the world that you don't understand the U.S. tax code or how a progressive tax works. 

Um…

let’s take last year. 

We charged Chinese exports 20%. Some tarriffs were 34%. 

China charged us 30%. Some items had a 67% tarriff. 

Now, we gain 10% and they lose 20% from the lowest set point. 

The USA loses only 4% from the highest and China loses 57%. That’s a fantastic deal for America. No matter if you are rooting for the usa or for China. 

It’s not just looking at the recent crazy hikes. 

It’s a great deal for the usa. 

And it sets the tone for a more even snd fair deal to come. 

The president talked with Tim Cook this morning. 

None of the targeted tariffs that China put in place prior to the trade war or since have been touched. They all remain as high as they ever were. So when you say things like "Some items had a 67% tariff." Those tariffs are still 67%. All the products China banned from being imported in the last few months are still banned from import. All the products China banned from being exported are still banned from being exported. So, China gave up very little. They dropped their base tariff rate to 10% and kept all the other higher tariffs and restrictions, many of which were not in place before this nonsense started. Dear Leader raised tariffs to 145%, panicked when his approval rating tanked and looked for the nearest exit and lowered tariffs by 115 points to slightly above where we were when this started. By far Dear Leader conceded almost 100% of what he had done and the Chinese didn't. Why? Because the Chinese played chess while Dear Leader was trying to figure out what day of the week Sunday falls on. Targeted tariffs and restrictions were the smart play and Dear Leader got outplayed.